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I'm pretty sure that is intentional, to make sure horses from basic upgrade players are not less valued when sold. You could make the effort to click their owner and check yourself to see if they have a premium upgrade, although that is not a guarantee that they are using SBA.

Also, Bambi is right, the stallion itself is not "bad quality", he is just worse that his sire and/or dam (I am thinking its the sire in the case of your stallion). That is perfectly normal when doing "bootstrapping" (breeding lower quality to very high quality, to get higher breeding stock or PTs quickly). It is normal to not use SBA, or even BA on bootstrapped stock, because they usually wont pass anyway.

The biggest "problem" when you bred your *star stalliont o yellow mares, is that they are not the same quality. You have the biggest chance of foals that remain intact through BA/SBA when you breed C stallions to yellow mares, B stallions to red mares, A stallions to blue mares and *Star stallions to *Gold mares. That is simply put though. All paperes have a range, and a very low A stallion can breed better to a high red mare, than a high blue, and a low *Star can breed better to a high blue than a high *Gold. Now *Star and *Gold have the biggest range, so to get as many breedable offspring as possible, you can either bootstrap (and not use BA/SBA), or you will have to know where on the scale your horse is. This can be done through breeding them to mares of differing qualities, to see where he does best. You are not guaranteed to get intacts even if you match their quality perfectly though, so you might have to breed alot of foals to know where he/she is.

This is one reason why alot of people prefer to use their own stock when breeding higher generations, because you usuallyhave a pretty good knowledge of what quality your lines are. Many people, me included, only breed stock that is superior to their sire/dam, so when you trace your lines, you know where they are higher/lower on the scales. When bootstrapping, you dont have that problem at all, but it can be harder to know your stock good enough to make it to the leaderboards (if that is something you would like). I will also point out that stock that is evenly bred, with superiors all the way through the lines, will often be more valued when sold, too, but not everyone cares about that either :)

Yup you where not scammed. There was just a misunderstanding in how this kind of breeding works.

I've looked at your horses when you first posted this, that stallion is significantly lined where as the blue mare you are referring to was a 2nd gen Blue which still isn't the same quality as a significantly lined, Star papered, stallion.. Even if he didn't pass SBA, his breeding quality is still better than the dam's

Possibly.

SBA compares the foal to both the parents, and will alter if the foal would test "worse than" either patent. If you looked at your studs pedigree, it would be highly unlikely to pass SBA, as his sire is most likely way higher than his dam. His sire has alot more Star/Good horses in his pedigree than his dam. This is usually a sign that he is higher papered, as most people try to use stock that is superior, or "as good as" at the least.

Not passing SBA does not make the horse bad quality, or "Not worth the money". Sure, alot of people prefer the horses to be superior, but the main reason for that is it makes it easier to pair them to get intact babies. When breeding like you do, with parents that do not match up in quality, it is not impossible to get foals that pass SBA, but it makes it veeery rare. If you do not care about matching quality, I would lay off the SBA too. It will just make it frustrating when you hardly ever get intact babies.

Breeding horses with the same paper rank is helpful, and making them also the same generation on top of that can help. Don't worry about performance scores. That only applies to how well they will do in the show ring, not how they will be as breeders. Exceptional breeding horses can have very low PT scores without lowering their foals' breeding ability.

There is always range of possible breeding ability for foals, however, so getting an intact foal is never guaranteed.

Here is a foal of mine out of a Yellow papered mare by a B papered sire (pasture bred). She papered Red and superior to her dam. However, I suspect that she may be a low B, though I could be wrong.


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Just a few questions Confluence. So almost as good as so and so from their sire/dam? or just in general, if so how is this bad?