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Kholoured · Mar 22, 2020 11:14 PM

WOW lmao I'm sorry but I don't think any horse could have a crappier performance score then this... anyone interested in breeding for no showability? cuz here's your mare LMAO...

KA Ch and Splash 3

This horse literally made the inspector "Faint Dead" I cant stop laughing, this horse is that bad lmao... could you imagine what this horse might look like in real life...

OMG I cant stop lmao I'm not sure why I'm so amused but seriously, let me know if there really is some interest. Just really cant stop laughing... omg lol

Nightphoenix · Mar 23, 2020 5:13 AM

Haha! I did that last week with a create with PT 0.4! She got sold back to the game. Poor Dorris!

Taliesin · Mar 23, 2020 7:56 AM

No no no! A horse's PT score has absolutely nothing to do with her breeding ability, including the potential PT scores of her foals. The only factor there that matters with breeding is consistency, as inconsistent horses are somewhat more likely to produce inconsistent foals. But the .2 means nothing as far as her foals' quality and showing ability, that is based entirely on her breeding ability score, which if she passed BA and SBA is just as good as any other (not perfect or exceptional) create who passed. Imagine her more like a mare who's lame from an old injury so she can't show. It means nothing for her quality as a broodmare. She just won't be an outstanding show pony.
If she's what you want to breed for, use her! There's no reason not to, except maybe that inconsistent if you want to breed only consistent foundations in an attempt to get more consistency down the line. But she won't pass on her .2. She's just as good as if she was a 9.9 inconsistent PT who passed testing

Mitchell022 · Mar 23, 2020 8:10 AM

Maybe its not so popular on this server, but on haj2 theres a few of us that hunt down these terrible ones. I'm pretty sure Dorris is desperately trying to employ soeone else to check out these particular herds =))

Taliesin · Mar 23, 2020 8:11 AM

Wreckit Ralph!

Ammit · Mar 23, 2020 8:14 AM

Taliesin that isn't really accurate. Brand new creates have random showing and breeding ability. This horse has a breeding ability that might be pretty good. Breeding ability is really what matters. Consistency is a minor consideration.

If she passed testing she is worth trying as a broodmare

Taliesin · Mar 23, 2020 8:21 AM

That is basically what I was trying to say, I'm sorry if I was unclear in my enthusiasm. (I just finally figured this out not that long ago, and it took me far too long)

Ammit · Mar 23, 2020 9:06 AM

For lined horses breeding and showing ability are both inherited from the parents. They won't be the same number but they come from the same source.

ConfluenceStable · Mar 23, 2020 9:19 AM

Just to play devils advocate for a moment; a low PT does not guarantee a good breeding ability, either. I sometimes think people forget that part. You still need to test using BA/SBA/Breeding inspection (papering) any low PT intact horse to get the full picture.

Kholoured · Mar 23, 2020 10:15 AM

The mare passed SBA and received a decent paper rating, I love her color but I have an abundance of 9.9 - 10+ and im really trying to breed for showability and breedability for now, I may find doing both too challenging but Im going to give it the ol girl scout try lol

I really don't need her, to start with her and my lowest rating stallion of 8.2 would push her foals back in performance when the rest of my herd will be 9 and above. Hers will be so low in performance, not that I couldn't eventually get her offspring worked into my program, she is literally starting out from the bottom of the scale. lol Its not like she is a 5 or 6 here she is .2 lol shes not even a 1.0 lol Hence why I am asking if there is any interest in anyone wanting to purchase her as she did pass the SBA and is a nice color but she would, at this moment, not fit into my program.

Ammit · Mar 23, 2020 10:22 AM

Yup, if you are tight on stall space sending her on is the right move.

Taliesin · Mar 23, 2020 10:37 AM

Okay, I'm going to lay this out as clearly as I can how I understand it, both in case I'm wrong and for @Kholoured's sake:

Every horse has two hidden scores: their breeding ability and their performance ability. Breeding ability is reflected in things like paper level and comparison testing to the breeding ability of other horses and BA/SBA. Performance ability is reflected in the horse's PT score.

For foundations who are not Perfect, Exceptional, etc- such as this one- those scores are randomly chosen within the possible ranges for creates.

For lined horses, on the other hand, both scores are determined by the breeding scores of the parents. So when you breed two horses together, the background algorithm gods take both breeding scores, and not the PT scores, and generate a range of possible breeding and PT scores for the foal based solely on the parents' breeding scores. Then said RNG gods pick one number out of each of those ranges, and that's the foals breeding and showing ability scores. Which we see via their PT for showing and for breeding their paper level and whether they pass SBA/compare superior.

So whether a foundation mare has a PT of 0.2 or 10.4, that number will not affect the PT score of her foals. Her breeding ability will, which is a different number entirely. When trying to choose good foundation broodmares who will contribute to the increasing show quality of your herd, you need to determine roughly where that breeding ability score is, and more or less disregard the mare's own PT. You do that by running them through SBA and papering them, and then if they pass and paper yellow, by test breeding them enough times to get a rough idea of their Average Foal PT, which will tell you a lot more than their own PT will.

So this mare is not starting from the bottom of the scale. She is starting from 'passed SBA and papered yellow'. She may even have a higher breeding score and produce higher PT foals than some of your other mares who passed SBA and papered yellow and got above 9 PT scores. We can't say until you breed her and see what she produces, and even then it will be a good bit luck. Regardless, that 0.2 will not drag the PT of her foals down. It does not matter for the PT of her foals.

Sound about right?

Ammit · Mar 23, 2020 10:42 AM

When she says the bottom of the scale she means for showing. No point in keeping a horse that won't earn you income if space is tight.

Taliesin · Mar 23, 2020 10:46 AM

Yes, but to be clear, for my sake, that does not mean her foals, if she did keep her, would be any lower PT-wise than those of a mare with a high PT and the same breeding score?

Kholoured · Mar 23, 2020 10:43 PM

Okay gotcha Taliesin I understand a bit better, I had already seen this with a really low PT Mare that passed SBA and papered Yellow she slipped thru the cracks and I accidently bred her. she ended up producing a 10 something that papered really well. So I see what you are saying, Im going to bred her a few times and see what I get. So thank you for the advice =) im still laughing all the way home though lol a .2 LMAO not sure ill see that again ANY time soon lol

Taliesin · Mar 23, 2020 10:56 PM

Yeah, that's the lowest I've seen, lol. I definitely have a few of them floating around my own barns too

paradoxphoenix · Mar 24, 2020 3:17 AM

I had a .5! She was one of my first Nd1 horses when nd1 first came out. I loved my little flunky. Lol She got to stay in pasture till she was 17 because there was no point in putting her in a stall. She got to stay only because I thought her PT score was funny and she was nd1.

I don’t PT test my foundations anymore. So now I miss the funny ones. But anything not showing well is the first to get culled when I come through to thin the herd. Unless they’re really something special.