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annismyrph · Mar 24, 2020 6:59 AM

So , I ve been pretty lucky with getting Exceptional Producing Mares and Perfect Foundation Mares ; the issue is ; Most of them are Bays and Chestnuts ; if anyone is interested I'd like to trade my Bay and Chestnut mares to your Blue or Black mares ;
my goal is a High Chrome Blue and Black line. ( IF this isn't allowed am sorry and please delete ) thanks
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annismyrph · Mar 24, 2020 2:13 PM

LG ExceptPerf2
+ about 60 more most in my Color Mare Barn ; feel free to offer for any of them if you don't have a Black or Blue equivalent.

annismyrph · Mar 25, 2020 1:43 PM

Bump ; in case someone might want to trade some of today's brindle/ black's for colored foundations

BlackBloodlines · Mar 25, 2020 2:17 PM

What exactly do you want? because blue is not a color. Do you mean blue roan? Do you care about generation? body size? are appys okay?

annismyrph · Mar 25, 2020 2:51 PM

Most of the Genetics I know ( besides the line breeding we did in college ) are from dogs ; in which a " blue" is a recessive of the Black color ; what I would like to do is get a line of High Chrome Blue / Black that throws Blue ; to do that I know I can't use Palomino's, Chestnuts or Bays which with my luck is what most of my Exceptional producers are ; I ve been picking up Blue Roans and Appy's from the Auctions as well as Foundation Rescue and creating like crazy on Blackout and Brindle days ;as I said I have a TON of "colored" mares that are Exceptional Producers etcetc but would like more variety on the blacks so I can work through them and hone down to the ones that throw High Chrome Blues and Blacks ; Appy's are fine as are larger ponies , but I d prefer to not venture into Draft land. Thanks

SaberKs · Mar 25, 2020 7:55 PM

I have this one.

Ep10522372

And I went a bit over on the ExPro white spotted brindle today. You can pick a few of them if you want.

https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=2&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=level&f_limit=25&mare=1&bty=1&nbty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=261756&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=0&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=&a1=&a4=&a2=&a3=&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d3=&d2=&d4=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&mu2=&mu1=&chn2=&chn1=&b2=&b1=&tig1=&tig2=&tig3=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&ice14=&ice15=&ice16=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&nexw=&rainr=&rainwt=&rainpl=&raint=&rainna=&PhnN=&PhnBts=&PhnGho=&PhnSpi=&PhnSku=&PhnPmk=&PhnAtmn=&PhnLace=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

PaintedDesert · Mar 25, 2020 8:18 PM

Are you interested in a second gen mare? She is too tall for my pony breeding criteria. And there is a chance that she carries the Gastra(however it's spelled) plume gene.

G2redgpTooTall$

And I have this grulla that is only het dun but homozygous black that is also too tall for me.

G2 Grulla Tobi too tall

annismyrph · Mar 26, 2020 1:50 AM

@Saber ; I d love her and

ExPro 10577653white
is also lovely ; did you run through my barns to see if there was anything you 'd like in there as an exchange?
@Painted ; again your stunning ponies ; I only have 3 pony mares in my herd ; they are all BlueMoon Mares and I don't have a pony stud ; one is 13.3 though if you 'd like one or more of them?

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 6:28 AM

https://www.huntandjump.com/member.php?uid=265093&b_id=31811

You’re welcome to look through my sale barn. I update it several times a day because when a horse sells, I have the money to make more. Almost all of my horses are exceptional producers, exceptional show horses, perfect, or exceptionally perfect.

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 6:37 AM

I can also focus on making ponies today if you would like. All my creates are pointed.

annismyrph · Mar 26, 2020 7:33 AM

@Nightphoenix ; was there anything in my Color barn you are interested in?

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 7:38 AM

I’ll check

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 7:50 AM

I found seven that I really like.

LG HSootyAppyHr
LG perfect
LG Berry
LG NextChance
LG Apples
LG SugarApple
LG HSooty AppyHr

annismyrph · Mar 26, 2020 1:52 PM

I have 3 of those available :) the 2 Candy Apps and one of the HH girls @Nightphoenix

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 3:08 PM

Awesome! I have 15,000 coming in from the auction tonight, so if you aren’t interested in what I currently have up for sale, I can make some more creates. I have a lot of different herd helpers from the forum.

annismyrph · Mar 26, 2020 3:10 PM

Blues please :) warmblood mares

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 3:47 PM

Got it, I’ll see what I can do

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 6:00 PM

No exceptionals, but I found a blue roan HH, so I made four mares from that and they all have decent PT scores. Three have minimal white and I papered the one with medium white. They are at the bottom of my primary barn.

Taliesin · Mar 26, 2020 6:06 PM

There is no gene equivalent to the blue you're thinking of in horses. There are several dilute genes (creme, pearl, champagne, silver) but none of them express quite the same way. I can give you a rundown on what the different dilutes that do exist do on black if you'd like, but none will look like that

Nightphoenix · Mar 26, 2020 6:13 PM

They are talking about blue roans.

SaberKs · Mar 26, 2020 9:04 PM

@Annismyrph

Is that bay candy Appaloosa available?

LG Night2

Id trade both foals for her if you're interested. Thanks.

PaintedDesert · Mar 26, 2020 9:18 PM

@Annismyrph, I have a bit of an overload on ponies, and I have tons of black pony stallions as well. I put those two mares up, but if you also need some stallions or straws, let me know. Both foundation and second and third generation black horses. Check.the only ponies chat for your horses.

If you need stallions, some are in the only ponies chat for breeding and all The ones below are available.

G2Splash Oger A

G2 Het GP pos

G2 Tobi Gp

10476769GPA

G2 BK SP GP A

annismyrph · Mar 26, 2020 10:57 PM

@Taliesin ; I think I am seeing this ; Blues seem to be treated as a completely different color from Blacks ; instead of the recessive ; guess I will need to rethink the way to get what I want lol
@Saber ; she was promised to Nightphoenix sorry ><
@PaintedDesert ; thanks I grabbed them and will probably be taking you up on your offer when they get old enough :)

Nightphoenix · Mar 27, 2020 5:53 AM

I sent you a pm

Nightphoenix · Mar 27, 2020 6:09 AM

I don’t have access to a sales buddy chat, so I just named them all for annismyrph. I’m going to put 3 of them up for 2000 and the other one up for 1500 so it’s an even exchange of hbs if you put your three up for 2500 each.

annismyrph · Mar 27, 2020 6:12 AM

oki

Nightphoenix · Mar 27, 2020 6:20 AM

Okay, they’re up. Thank you!

TawnyEclipse · Mar 27, 2020 8:07 AM

I have these black mares available:

https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=sale&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&mare=1&bty=1&nbty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=213454&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=1&a1=1&a4=2&a2=2&a3=2&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d3=&d2=&d4=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&mu2=&mu1=&chn2=&chn1=&b2=&b1=&tig1=&tig2=&tig3=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&ice14=&ice15=&ice16=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&nexw=&rainr=&rainwt=&rainpl=&raint=&rainna=&PhnN=&PhnBts=&PhnGho=&PhnSpi=&PhnSku=&PhnPmk=&PhnAtmn=&PhnLace=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

annismyrph · Mar 27, 2020 2:41 PM

@TawnyEclipse ; thank you for the offer ; am working with WB and Sport Ponies :) My fault I wasn't clear

Taliesin · Mar 28, 2020 12:09 AM

These are riding horses, but figured I'd offer
https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=1&status=any&ageg=&agel=&agee=&erag=&eral=&erae=&heightg=&heightl=&heighte=&boneg=&bonel=&bonee=&f_basic=none&f_adv=none&f_limit=25&stallion=1&mare=1&gelding=1&spayedmare=1&bty=1&nbty=1&lined=lined&foundation=1&name=x$&name_lm=like&color=&color_lm=like&owner=238452&owner_lm=like&breeder=&breeder_lm=like&sire=&sire_lm=like&dam=&dam_lm=like&barn=&barn_lm=like&pasture=&past_lm=like&tattoo=&tat_lm=like&tat_and=and&club=&bc_lm=like&bc_and=and&e1=&e2=1&a1=&a4=2&a2=2&a3=2&f1=&f2=&p1=&p2=&s1=&s2=&s3=&c1=&c2=&c3=&d1=&d3=&d2=&d4=&g1=&g2=&ch1=&ch2=2&z1=&z2=&sa2=&sa1=&mu2=&mu1=&chn2=&chn1=&b2=&b1=&tig1=&tig2=&tig3=&kit1=&kit2=&kit3=&kit4=&kit5=&kit6=&kit10=&kit11=&kit12=&kit7=&kit8=&kit9=&sp1=&sp2=&sp3=&spM=&pax31=&pax32=&rb1=&rb2=&o1=&o2=&l1=&l2=&ice1=&icei=&ice2=&ice3=&ice4=&ice5=&ice6=&ice7=&ice8=&ice9=&ice10=&ice11=&ice12=&ice13=&ice14=&ice15=&ice16=&nexn=&nexx=&nexr=&nexg=&nexb=&nexw=&rainr=&rainwt=&rainpl=&raint=&rainna=&PhnN=&PhnBts=&PhnGho=&PhnSpi=&PhnSku=&PhnPmk=&PhnAtmn=&PhnLace=&brindle1=1&brindle2=1&wf1=1&wf2=1&wf3=1&wf4=1&wf5=1&wf6=1

annismyrph · Mar 28, 2020 2:16 AM

@Taliesin ; is there anything in particular you are looking for ? funds right now are telling me to trade and not purchase ><

Herzeloyde · Mar 28, 2020 4:20 AM

@annismyrph

If you are interested in Blue Roans, I have put up some expro/perfect mares for you in my chat room for 1 hbs here: https://www.huntandjump.com/buddy_chat.php?chatid=372

I don't need anything in return

And also, if you are interested in dog genetics, you may want to look into the newly released Chocolate allele: https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/41666/introducing-khansuudyn-suns-founder-of-the-chocolate-allele

annismyrph · Mar 28, 2020 4:22 AM

@Herzeloyde
Cool ; I saw the fillies going in :) and was like oh my YES please lol
I will definitely check out the chocolate allele discussion
Thank you so much for your generosity to me personally and to the game !!

Wingedeagle · Mar 28, 2020 2:27 PM

@annismyrph the recessive of black in horses is red. Horses have 2 main coat colors, red and black. Anything else is a modifier of these two.

This mare of mine has blue roan listed as her color. Which is a black based horse that carries the roan allele. Is this what you mean by blue?

EmbyoMare6

The genetic code on this mare if you look at the bottom of her page shows;
Pigment Modifiers
Black: E/e
Bay: a/a
Cream: -/-
Dun: -/-
Gray: -/-
Flaxen: f/f
Sooty: -/-
Pangare: p/p
Silver: -/-
Champagne: -/-
Tiger Eye: -/-
Mushroom: -/-
Satin: -/-
Chocolate: -/-
Chinchilla: -/-
Axiom: -/-
Rainbow Riot: -/-
White Markings
Kit Genes: Kitr/-
Splash: -/-
Splash 2: -/-
Appaloosa: -/-
Appaloosa Blanket Size: -/PATN1
Rabicano: -/-
Frame: -/-
Ice: -/-
Phantom: -/-

The capital E is dominant black or black pigment is turned "on". The lower e is recessive black which produces red pigment. A horse must have two lower e's to be a red or "chestnut".
The next spot marked "bay" is a little more involved. This mare has two lower a's which means no bay. This is the reason she is black. A bay is a red horse with black mane, tail, lower legs, nose, and ears. (Called points) The Capital A is the classic bay, like the first 2 horses you posted above. A wild bay is A+ like this mare;

Martial
See how the black on her legs is much less? And she barely has any black on her face. A brown horse carries the At allele. This allele is recessive or overwritten by the classic and wild bay alleles. So a horse must have either two At or one At and one a to be "Brown".

Hope this helps a bit? Any other questions?

Wingedeagle · Mar 28, 2020 2:31 PM

Just realized I didn't give an example of brown;

Celtic Frost

annismyrph · Mar 28, 2020 2:49 PM

yes thanks ; in the GreatDane world "Blue" is recessive of Black just like Brindle is recessive of Fawn ; took me a bit and then I realized it didn't work the same in horses ; thank you tho :)

westernrider2991 · Mar 30, 2020 10:04 AM

Horse genes that I would compare to the blue gene in dogs would be dun, creme, and maybe roan. A Smokey black (black with one creme), a grullo (black with at least one dun), or a Smokey grullo (one creme and at least one dun) could have a wide range of blue/grey/brown hues. Roan is black hairs mixed with white hairs; not really a dilute, but gives a blue color.

The cool thing is that all of these genes are dominant and you only need one copy of any of them to get color, where you’d need two copies of blue to get a blue dog.

annismyrph · Mar 30, 2020 12:41 PM

Smokey Black looks chocolate to me ; grullo looks gray ; lol am going to be doing a High Chrome Blue Roan / Black line ( or at least that's where I am headed )
thanks !

Taliesin · Apr 2, 2020 11:24 AM

Sorry, I lost track of this post for a while! I put those mares up for you for create price in this chat room
https://www.huntandjump.com/buddy_chat.php?chatid=720

annismyrph · Apr 2, 2020 11:35 AM

Thanks Taliesin!!

Taliesin · Apr 2, 2020 11:36 AM

You're welcome!

StrykerLyker18 · Apr 12, 2020 4:44 PM

https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=10338239

Black: E/e
Bay: a/a
Flaxen: -/f
Sooty: Ssty/Ssty
White Markings
Frame: Olw/-

Additional Info
White Factor: Minimal

https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=10357813

Pigment Modifiers
Black: e/E
Bay: a/a
Cream: -/Ccr
Flaxen: f/f
Sooty: Ssty/-
Pangare: p/p
White Markings
Kit Genes: -/Kitto

Additional Info
White Factor: Minimal

https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=10201915

Pigment Modifiers
Black: e/E
Bay: a/a
Flaxen: f/f
Sooty: Ssty/-
Pangare: p/p
White Markings
Appaloosa: -/Llp
Appaloosa Blanket Size: PATN1/-

Additional Info
White Factor: Minimal

https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=10265834

Pigment Modifiers
Black: E/e
Bay: a/a
Flaxen: -/f
White Markings
Kit Genes: -/Kitw20
Appaloosa Blanket Size: PATN1/-

Additional Info
White Factor: None

2500 for each :)

annismyrph · Apr 12, 2020 5:07 PM

I ll take them all ; let me know what chat you want to put them in :)

Silverstar · Apr 12, 2020 5:17 PM

@annismyrph while I don’t have any black mares to trade, I am looking for expro mares that are chestnut, or bay/brown if you’re willing to do sell any. :)

annismyrph · Apr 13, 2020 1:37 AM

@Silverstar ; pretty sure I do ; feel free to run through my "color" barn and Pasture as well as the pony places :) these are the ones that stand out to me that might fit for you ;

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