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I know another DP and GP?
  • Ok I know that there is the genetics help page with DP/Sooty photos. But can DP and GP show if they are Het not Hz? they show no examples for Het lol so not sure.


    Dp and GP?
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    TW aa D SoSo Sp PATN1


    DP and GP?
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    TW SoSo w20w20 f



    DP and GP?
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    TW w20 Sp lp PATN1


    DP?
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    TW Z Breeder Mare 2


    Why so pale?
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    TW Z Breeder Mare 4


    Again why so pale, no nd1?
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    TW Z Breeder Mare 3

    Post edited by TiaWatson at 2020-03-27 13:22:27
  • I'm pretty sure not. The ones that have homozygous sooty don't look any darker than SstySsty would make them. The ones with white tails get them from splash. Homozygous Sooty chestnuts would be liver chestnuts if they had DP.

    While DP does occasionally show up spontaneously in random creates, I'm not at all sure that GP does. I don't breed for either gene, so I may not be the best person to answer your question, this is just my opinion.

    Heterozygous GP has no visible effect and homozygous GP can only be seen on bay-based horses.
    Post edited by SandyCreekAcres at 2020-03-27 13:45:06

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  • Ok gotcha I did look at the Splash reference photos and your right almost all displayed this coloration in the tail. Then what is causing the dappling in the few I saw, is this just random dappling - can that happen in this game?

    What is causing the color on the bay - based on the reference photo for Bay with GP she was literally the same color as the photo lol she doesn't have Pangere so if she doesn't have GP I cant find a reason for the red shading on the flank and low barrel with the darker back areas as I know she is Hz for sooty but Hz sooty shouldnt look this way right she should just be darker not darker with redder areas?

    What is causing the pale color on the 2 chestnuts as neither has nd1, does nd2 come up in the test or is nd2 a hidden gene? or is this what chestnut looks like on this game? lol idk on these 2

    lol I have no idea how this game works yet, do all base colors vary in shade as it naturly does or do genetics play the only part in shade variation here.
    Post edited by TiaWatson at 2020-03-27 15:27:41
  • Yes, dappling is random. It is more likely to show up on horses with Ssty, and very likely to show up with S+, but dapples can show up with almost any color. I'm especially partial to the dark dapples that come on some classic champagnes.

    Sooty, quite often, causes darker hairs from the top down, and I think this is what you are seeing on TW SoSo w20w20 f. Remember that bays have both red and black hair, with the black confined to manes, tails, and lower legs. With the addition of sooty, some black hair will appear along the top line, shading down the body to some extent. Some of the lightness you are seeing on this horse is partly due to the shading which comes with having a three dimensional effect for the image.

    Much of the horse image generation is done by mathematical formulas written into the random image generator. Ammit works hard to make them as realistic as possible, so yes, there will be variations in color and pattern expression for many horses.
    Use the Search Horses feature and put in a simple color name to see some of the variation that is part of the game.

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  • Great answers @SandyCreekAcres!

    GP is a gene that does not show up in random creates, it has to be added via GMTing or via the RGS. However, this christmas we had a new herd helper (Ghost of Christmas Past) and all of those horses are hetero for GP. This means they can produce homo GP (and thus white tailed horses) when bred with other GP carriers. They themselves do not have the white GP tail as they are only hetero for it.

    However, like Sandy said, GP only shows up on a bay based horse (E? with A or At or A+).
    GP only shows when a horse is homo GP and has a bay base.

    Here are some GP examples;
    On a bay (EEAa)
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    MS5 BestLittleLights hGP


    On a wild bay with DP (EeAA+)
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    MS CHERCHERRR


    On a brown (EEAtAt) with DP:
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    MS3 AStickyFold hGP


    On a brown (EEAta) non-DP:
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    MS Mance Milkyway hKPhGP


    On a 'brown' buckskin (EEAtaCr):
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    MS7 Creepoasis hGP GOLD


    On a normal Buckskin:
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    MS IronmanLady hGP


    You get the drill, it shows a gradient in the tail as if the bottom has been dipped in white.

    However, as you experienced already, Splash can throw things off a bit. Splash is known for adding white to a horses tail.

    This one looks also like it has been dipped in white:
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    MSH Pro10501725EeAaCrDpDP

    However, this is a foundation horse and foundations (except for the christmas past herd helper) do not carry GP, let alone be homozygous for GP.

    This is a red based horse with splash. Red bases cannot show GP. Secondly, she is a foundation horse so therfore also cannot be GP.
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    MSrs Spicet P


    Splash tails can variate from dipped in white to completely white tails like this one:
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    MS Pro10411716EeAaDKITSpS

    GP only has that dipped in white look. (The reason mance has a more whiter tail is because of the Kit M)

    This is a 2gen horse with a white tail. However, she could not be entered in the GP breeders club so it is not GP but the splash and Kit M (and neither of her parents carry GP so therefore it is also impossible).
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    MS2 SurrealColore hKPDP


    This horse has splash and is homo GP. How do I know? Because he could be entered in the GP breeders club, meaning he is homo GP. (Also both of his parents are homo GP meaning he is homo GP too)
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    MS7 UkrainaSea hGP


    Here is another splash horse that is homo GP:
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    MS5 Manubest GP



    Another tricky thing for spotting GP is silver, as it changes the shade of the mane and tail. However, if you look real closely you can see some GP in the tail of this one:
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    MS3 HolidayFlourish hGP

    But like the 2 splash examples above, you can know for sure to see if the horse can be added in the GP breeders club. If it can it is homo GP, if it cannot it is not homo GP (or not a bay based horse).

    Kit M (or white M) is a KIT Gene that can also whiten the tail:
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    MS2 SHOW WM 10381366



    Dappling indeed is random, normal creates can have dappling too. However, any silver horses are more prone to dappling. Champagne horses have 'reversed' dappling or leopard spots which is a really cool kind of dappling too.
    Horses that have S+ always have dapples, it is an 'extreme' darkening gene. However, on diluted or lighter coat color such as homo cream horses it is less visible than on darker horses (bays for example).
    As DP is a darkening gene, it can also cause some dappling or make the existing 'natural' dapples more pronounced.

    For more info on dappling see this thread (filled with a LOT of examples): https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/89707#Comment_89448


    For more info on DP see these threads:
    This is an older post I made about spotting DP in chestnuts/ the mechanics of DP:
    https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/comment/79172#Comment_79172

    And of course the almighty DP codex with references to many DP horses on many different coat colors: https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/36387/the-dp-codex


    I hope this helped clear up some of your questions! Feel free to ask more and/or for more clarity (this turned out waaay longer than I intented to :') )



    Post edited by MasterStablesMS at 2020-03-28 01:31:35
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  • No problem and yes this helped tremendously, the Genetics page is helpful but a bit difficult to understand at times, but I also get that to explain and show every possible color outcome takes away the purpose of this game. So as much as it is a tuff challenge to not know everything its also a fun challenge to learn for yourself rather then be shown or told everything from the get go.

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