X
HGG Community Forums
Log In to HorseGeneticsGame
HGG Community Forums
Join our discord server!
Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Categories
- All Discussions61,359
- Announcements1,188
- HAJ Discussion59,016
- ↳ New Member Introductions68
- ↳ Help Me Out5,084
- ↳ Horses for Sale and Auction14,457
- ↳ Breeding Ads and Sales6,077
- ↳ Herd Helpers22,965
- ↳ Bug Discussion5
- Non HAJ Discussion1,155
- ↳ Saddle Sisterhood113
- ↳ Games, Contests and GiveAWays348
- ↳ Genetics305
In this Discussion
- Ammit December 2020
- ConfluenceStable November 2021
Who's Online (5)
- annismyrph 6:29AM
- Fiddler 6:29AM
- GoldenHeartAcres 6:29AM
- Haystack 6:29AM
- ZahhaksMyWitness 6:28AM
Basic information for new players
-
Showing/Bonus points
Every horse, except the one that places last in a class, is awarded a certain number of points which go into their permanent record. The exact number of points depends on where a horse places in the class. Higher level classes have more horses in them and award more points, generally speaking. Local classes tend to award fewer points than higher grade classes. These points are the source of your daily Showing Bonus. Every night at rollover, you will receive a showing bonus that is currently equal to about 75% of all the points that all your horses have gained to that point, divided by 7 (days in the week). Horses keep these points when they are bought and sold, and never lose them, even when they have leveled off. So, the more horses you have showing, the more points you will collect, and the higher your Showing Bonus will be.Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-12-29 12:26:14
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Consistent and Inconsistent
This is a measure of how consistently a horse will perform when shown. A perfectly consistent horse will have exactly the same score both times it is shown in a week. This is a solid, reliable, predictable show horse.
Inconsistent horses will have days where they perform flawlessly and outshine the competition, but on other days their heart won’t be in it, and they will place much lower in the class.
Consistency is mostly applicable to showing results. The only relationship to breeding ability is that inconsistent horses are more likely to have inconsistent foals.
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1UaithnePairc -
PT scores
Performance Inspection, aka Performance Testing (PT) will give you a general idea about how well and how long your horse will perform in shows. Lower scores do not mean that a horse will be a bad show horse, only that they may not make it to the higher levels of showing, like Grand Prix. They can still make you money, even in their lower level classes. Points are points no matter where they are earned.
PT scores are indicative of how many training points a horse will receive with each training session.
Horses will only receive those training points if they are trained. Members with free accounts need to remember to train every horse every week.
If you pay to change a horses consistency level in the genetics lab you will need to run the PT test again, since consistency quite often (but not always) affects PT scores.
As soon as a horse is spayed or gelded they begin to earn extra training points with every training session. This gives them the potential to be better show horses, so they earn more show points, which adds to your daily show bonus
You will not see an actual change in the PT score of a spayed or gelded horse. They will, however, earn the extra points.
Remember that PT score has no effect on breeding ability. So a horse with a low PT score COULD make really nice babies.Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-04-17 20:03:13
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1UaithnePairc -
PT and levels
PT mostly indicates how many years a horse will train for. Higher PT means a horse will train longer but not necessarily that it will do any better at the lower levels than any other horse. Horses with a very low PT (4.0 and under) will generally not advance past level 1L before “Levelling Off” and not training further up the levels.
Foals can’t train and there are only two horses in level 1L classes, so winning is totally luck based and has nothing to do with Ability.
As you advance up the levels, the number of horses in a given class and the rewards for doing well in a class will both increase. Most horses will have varied performance as they continue to train and move up the levels. The levels run from 1 to 8, and within each of those levels there are Local, Regional, National and World divisions, so 1L is the lowest level overall, and 8W is the highest level over all. You will run through all 4 divisions at level 1 before you start level 2.
Where your horses really start to earn their stripes is when they level off, and once horses level off some players will evaluate their performance and cull poor performers.
Horses will level off at roughly the age of their PT score number and will basically stop training when they do (they still will add a small fraction of a point to their show score each week, but it’s a negligible gain). Horses that level off at the top of whatever class they are showing in will make lots of hbs and points for you. Horses that level off in last place will not. Horses that level off in the middle of a class will still do nicely for you, but they won’t make the large gains of a horse at the top of their class. Some people will cull horses that level off in last place in their class. Others will stop showing these horses but keep them to keep the show bonus contribution. Some of us never bother to look and keep everything until they age out.
Remember that some of your horses will level off in a local division of their level, but it may be level 6 or 7 or 8L, which has much better rewards and odds than level 1L!
(Thanks to Cheers for this great explanation!)Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-04-16 13:44:00
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Showing Levels
You can see a chart of all the levels and grades if you click on "My Show Entries" under Showing in the left menu bar. The levels are sometimes referred to by number and other times by their full name. Here is a list of the available levels.
Level 1-- Inhand (Horses are shown in a halter class, not ridden)
Level 2 -- Green under saddle (horses are being ridden, but not jumped)
Level 3 -- Green over fences (horses are now ready to be jumped)
Level 4 -- Training (horses are being schooled to improve the height and complexity of the jumps)
Level 5 -- C Level (more difficult, higher jumps)
Level 6 -- B Level (even higher jumps and more complex patterns of jumps)
Level 7 -- A Level (increasing difficult of jump courses)
Level 8 -- Grand Prix (the highest, most complex jump courses, done by the most talented horses and riders. A horse would have to be competing at this level to qualify for the Olympics in Show Jumping, for instance.)
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Auto Training
Auto training can take up to 24 hours to run completely. There are hundreds of thousands of horses that need to be trained.
If you notice that your horses haven't trained yet, please wait 24 hours before reporting the problem.Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2019-05-16 18:08:22
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1UaithnePairc -
Your Horse is not for sale!
1. A horse is not for sale, unless it says, on the horses main page, "This horse is for sale and costs xxx HBs". The For Sale and For Breeding boxes on the horses Control Panel page will show the last sale/breeding price that was set for the horse, but unless you click the "Place this horse for sale/public breeding, only you will see those numbers.Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-02-22 17:48:45
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1UaithnePairc -
What are Eras, and how do they work?
People who have been playing longer generally dominate the color breeder leaderboards. It’s pretty difficult for newer players to break into those ranks. Eras were created to level the playing field and give newer players a chance to be competitive on the leaderboards.
A new era will be started after a certain number of new horses have entered the game (via breeding or creation of new horses)
A foals era is ‘inherited’ from the parent with the lowest era.
Eras are only important for the breeders club leaderboards and have no effect what so ever on breeding.
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Your horses main page:Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-02-24 17:19:42
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
How to bookmark a forum post:Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-02-24 17:20:08
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Link to Pedigrees and Generations pictorial:
https://mesa.huntandjump.com/forum/index.php?p=/discussion/273/foundation-horses-vs-lined-horsesgenerations-and-pedigrees#Item_5Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-04-18 15:29:20
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1UaithnePairc -
Link to How to post pictures pictorial:
https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/40619/how-to-posting-pictures#Item_3
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1UaithnePairc -
Link to How to post a link to an entire barn or pasture:
https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/40619/how-to-posting-pictures#Item_3
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1UaithnePairc -
Leaderboard requirements:
Stallions -10 foals gets the stallion ON the list, and after that the top 25 foals count towards the ranking. So the more foals, the better his chances of moving to a higher ranking.
Mares - 3 foals gets her ON the leaderboard, and the top 10 foals count towards her ranking
A horse needs to have had a foal in the past 2 breeding seasons, aka a living yearling, or a two year old, to qualify.
Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-05-23 09:32:39
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Link to the list of Terms and Abbreviations used on Hunt and Jump
https://www.huntandjump.com/faq.php#897
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Daily Herd Helpers (DHH or HH) –
You may not auction your herd helper slot. This takes too long and often leads to lost shares.
You may use your herd helper for another person with the stats of their choice for a previously agreed-upon price. In other words, "custom" herd helpers (as they are referred to on the forums) wherein you post an extra 'share' of your existing herd helper, are allowed.
Please do not take reservations for herd helpers, please stick to only herd helper you have active. Herd helpers scheduled in advance as part of special events are always subject to change.
Other expectations:
Please do not respond on posts that are over 3 months old. Check the date, and start a new thread if you have something to say!
Limit adding ‘me, too’ or ‘ditto’ to a bug report. If you are having a similar problem you can click “Thanks” to let Ammit know that it is happening in more than just one instance.
Please do not change the title of your threads after an auction is over, or a problem is solved, or you found the horse you were looking for. Even if you change your mind and decide not to post; either delete the whole post or add an explanation in the body of the post. It makes the forum really confusing to go through the main list, and there may just be someone else out there who could benefit from your ‘silly’ question! If you want, just add ‘Sold’, or ‘Closed’ after the original title.
Posting Rules. Yes, we do enforce these rules. They are helpfully listed just below the text box where you type your forum message. To review, they are; do not use chat speak, use normal capitalization (not all capital letters, or all lowercase letters), and, one punctuation mark will get the job done.
Simplify Post titles. Remember that you are directing your message to everyone, including new players, who don’t speak the ‘language’ yet! Your title needs to be a brief summary of what is in your post. This also means that you really need to limit the emotional or over dramatic post titles. We get that you might be bummed that your fancy filly was spayed, but your life is not over….trust me.
No begging; for horses, or money, or gifts. This community is amazingly generous, and people will give you things! If people take advantage of this generosity it won’t be much fun, and people will stop helping. We never want it to get to that point, so we do step in, if a post looks like begging. This includes excessive whining or bemoaning the fact that you don’t have enough money, or stalls, or “all I need is one tiny little GMT token” to finish your new stallion, or “if only I had a bigger pasture for all these mares”. If you are mentioning the problem as part of a conversation, that is fine, just be aware of how it might sound.
We also do not tolerate drama. We encourage you to try everything you can to resolve the problem on your own, but if you have a dispute that does not seem to want to go away, please bring it to the attention of someone on the admin team.
If something does go wrong, remember to be polite. Sarcasm, angry posts, or accusations will just make things worse. Take the time to calm down and think of the best way to address the issue. We will help if you ask.
Honesty is the best policy. If you made a mistake, just tell us. Everyone here has messed up, many of us more than once! We will do what we can to help you out, but if you are not willing to admit to a mistake, things can get very frustrating for everyone.
Some players like to run forum games and contests. It is lots of fun, and we encourage it. No ‘pay to play’ games or raffles, are allowed, though. Games can only be free to enter. Keep everything above board, and things will remain fun!
REALLY long signatures make posts hard to read. You should keep it to one or two lines of text and a small picture. You do not need to list all the licenses you have, or all the colors you breed. Keep it succinct; your stable ID number and a few words about your barns will get the job done.
These are all things that are, in the end, basic courtesy. Lots of people don’t realize that what they are doing (or not doing) may be causing a problem, that’s why we wanted to share these “Unwritten rules”.
Remember that this is a GAME. If you are not having fun, something is wrong! Enjoy it!Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2020-12-09 15:08:08
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
If you have an issue with another member making an angry public post attacking them is never an acceptable way to handle it. We will do our best to help you resolve any issues, but once you make a public attack post you are the one who has broken the rules. In addition, contributing to public drama also breaks the rules and may also lead to reprimands. Do not respond to other people's attack posts.
If issues truly can not be worked out two members can block each other, but jumping to public attacks is simply not tolerated.Post edited by Ammit at 2020-12-29 08:33:57Need to contact me? Read this first.
I sometimes get busy and miss things. If your private message, question, etc. gets missed please ping me so I can follow up with you. I am also always happy to explain or clarify. (HAJ does not have a customer service email, please send me a forum message! )
she/her -
Lallyhop ID#45703 (Talented Tutor - Forest Server)
What are paper levels?
A, B, C, Blue, Red, Yellow, Gold, Star... what do they mean? Papers, obtained by using the breeding inspection test on a horse, available to basic and premium upgrades, are a measure of the quality of a horse's breeding ability.
Colors are for mares, and letters are for studs. In order, from worst to best, they go as follows:
Stallions: Showable Only, C, B, A, *Star
Mares: Failed, Yellow, Red, Blue, *Gold
Gold and Star is the best papering you can get.
Breeding ability refers to a hidden number that the game uses to determine how "good" a horse is and by extension, how good of foals they will produce, on average. While these numbers are hidden from view, we do have an idea of what they are due to experimentation with foundations.
A "perfect foundation" is a horse with 100% breeding ability. An "exceptionally perfect" horse or "exceptional producing" horse has 105% breeding ability.
A perfect foundation will be papered C (stud) or yellow (mare). An exceptionally perfect breeder will paper B/red.
Now, by using 1% and 5% boosts, we can more accurately measure what percentages correspond to papers. If you take a perfect foundation (100%) and give it a single 1% boost, the papering goes to B/red. This means that the beginning of the B/red range starts at 101%. If you take a 105% exceptional foundation, and boost it a full 5%, it will become A/blue. (this is the only way to get a/blue foundations).
So now we know that C/yellow ends at 100%, B/red goes from 101% up to 109%, and at 110% you get to A/blue! Showable Only/Failed papers sit below C/yellow, and Star/Gold are above A/blue.
So what does that mean for me? It means that papers can be a useful way to tell if a horse is a good addition to your breeding herd. If you make sure papers only match or go up, instead of going down, you can make sure that your herd is improving! And you can even use them to be more strict - so instead of allowing a red filly out of B/red parents to stay because she passed BA, you can be extra strict and only let A/blue foals stay. You can quickly get star/gold in only a few generations that way. Now you can go out there and breed good quality horses!
A big thank you to Lallyhop for this explanation!
Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2021-11-13 08:48:56
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Ktarpey #53516 (Talented Tutor - Forest Server)
How to Make Money Selling Pointed Creates
The foundation of this strategy is that pointed ponies are the best way to bring in the steady income that you need to fund a breeding program.
As a new player, every created horse you make is generated with a random number of show points, up until your total point "score" goes over 20k, at which point your created horses generate with 0 points. If you reach the 20k benchmark but then sell enough horses to drop back below 20k points total, your created horses start generating with points again.
Players who are over the 20k point line are always looking for pointed ponies to add to their show herd to increase their bonus. This is a market you, as a new player, can tap into!
Start by searching the Herd Helper thread for the day on the forum. Any herd helper will do, but for maximum profit, "Rank Special", "Exceptionally Perfect", and "Exceptional Producer" are the ones I recommend. These are often referred to as RS, Experf, and Expro in shorthand.
Once you've picked up as many herd helpers as you can, you get to do the fun part and make the horses!
In terms of size, there's no right answer. Try things out!
Age and gender are a little more specific. I personally always do mares, because bootstrap breeders need mares more than stallions. For age, creating yearlings may bump your max profit up slightly by adding a couple years of showing time to their lifespan, while four year old mares are already of breeding age, which may matter for buyers who are planning on using your stock for more than breeding.
So what do you do once you have a herd full of "pointed creates"?
Let's say, for example, that you created 2 mares. You have spent 5000 hbs so far (2500 creation cost x2).
Next step is testing. I always run genetic testing on my horses. This will tell you what color the horse is and what genes it carries, and can be really important for breeders that are trying to select stock with specific gene combinations. (ETA: It also makes the horses eligible for the various Breeder Clubs) Genetic testing costs a maximum of 100 hbs per horse. Your total cost so far is now 5200 hbs.
After genetic testing, it's important to run the performance inspection test. This gives you an idea of how well the horse may do in shows and how long you can expect it to continue improving. This is also how you'll calculate your price for the horse later on, so don't skip it! Performance inspection costs a maximum of 500 hbs per horse, so your total cost is now up to 6200 hbs.
Your horse will receive a PT (performance testing) score. This can be as low as 0, and for new creates normally tops out at about 10.5.
Performance inspection will also give you a few other pieces of data, but the one that is most important for our purpose is the "Current Lifetime Payout". This is how we decide how much to charge for your new pony! Once you have your current lifetime payout, it's time to find a calculator (or do math in your head if you're a math whiz).
Most people will pay a percentage of the lifetime payout. Some players will pay the full amount if it's a rare rank special herd helper or if it's a special combination of genes, or even just to help a newbie out. I have found that the following formula works great for fast sales:
Rank Specials: 75% lifetime payout
Experf and expro: 65% lifetime payout
Perfect foundations: 60% lifetime payout
Everything else: 50% lifetime payout.
So for easy math let's say the two horses you created were both made with herd helpers. One was a rank special, one was an exceptionally perfect. Both came out with a lifetime payout of 10,000 hbs.
Using the formula above, the rank special should have a sale price of $7500. The experf should have a sale price of $6500.
Now just make a forum thread in the sales forum advertising your prices, and give a link to the barn where you have your sales ponies, and sit back and let the HBs roll in!
Once they both sell, your total income is $14000. Taking out your total cost of $6200, that's a total profit of $7800, and you didn't even have to do too much work.
This is a great way to build up a nice savings, and it'll also help you figure out what genes and colors you like without expensive experimentation costs!
Thank you Ktarpey for this Talented Tutors explanation!Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2021-11-13 08:49:09
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15 -
Danaerys - ID# 51665 (Talented Tutor - Forest server)
Searching For Horses and Users in Hunt and Jump
Two of the most useful features of the Hunt and Jump game are Search Horses and Search Users pages. Find these on the right column of the game page, under the Community header with the 3 people icon.
The search page opens to Key Filters, which lets you choose by name, sale, auction, breeding, age, gender, height, bone and breeding status. You can filter the results to include or exclude fantasy horses and horses your game allows you to buy. You can specify horses by color, owner, breeder, Sire, Dam, Tattoo, Barn, Pasture and Breeders Club. Then, you can sort horses by all the fields under the Basic and Advanced Sort. I’ll not list those here; there’s a bunch! All of them are useful depending on what you want to do.
The second page of search lets you choose among the Pigment Modifiers, such as cream, the duns, gray, flaxen, sooty, silver, etc. to be included or excluded from your search. The third search page, White Markings, includes the variety of Kit Genes, splash, appaloosas, snowflake, frame, galustra and the level of white factor. The fourth search page includes the Fantasy Genes.
You can search your entire farm by hitting the View in Search link at the top of any barn or pasture page and scrolling down to delete the number of the barn or pasture ID#. This is super handy to search among your own horses, even when they are not in the same barn.
On auction days, you can fill in all the search pages with what you are looking for. When you're done at the auction, you can carefully go back to the Key Filters page and click For Sale instead of For Auction, and you won’t have to re-enter all the search details to see what other farms have for sale. They might have what you didn't find in the auction!
Sometimes you hit search and it runs and runs and runs. It feels like something is broken. It’s not. That happens when you forget to specify a limited field, and the search is running through the entire server. That is a lot of horses, so it takes a few minutes. I try not to do that.
Search User, located under the same menu, is nice to use when people buy my horses on the sale list or at the auction. It is really fun to see when a horse from my farm is chosen for a breeding program where they are a good fit. To find your horse if the new owner has changed their name, enter the buyer's ID# in the Owner field, and your own ID# in the Breeder field.
Search can be especially useful if you want to see what a certain genetic combination looks like in the wild. Plug in the genetics you want to see, hit the button, and if it's on the server, it will pop up. You can scroll through pedigrees of champion horses and look for ideas and inspiration. Perusing pedigrees is a good idea when you are looking at potential breeding stock, too, whether you are breeding or buying.
Visit farms you like and do a search for horses for sale or auction. If you are looking for a specific bloodline, dam, or sire, those can be filled on the search, hit the Search Horses button and there they are! Looking around the farms with top awards on the leaderboards can give you new ideas for your farm, too. How do other stables organize their barns and pastures? Can you tell what genetics they are breeding for? How long have they been playing the game? Almost everyone else has been here longer than I have, so I can learn a lot from more experienced players.
Thanks to Danaerys for this great explanation!
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15Thanked by 1Mozzymoo -
More tutorials will be coming soon!Post edited by ConfluenceStable at 2021-11-13 09:00:33
ConfluenceStable- HJ1 ID#235298 * ConfluenceFarms- HJ2 ID#1998 * ConfluenceRanch- HJ3 ID#15
This discussion has been closed.
All Discussions