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whiskey Oaks · Mar 30, 2016 4:22 AM

Visually in game the colors look the same to me. My educated guess was that maybe the Cremello had homo cr genes that caused its color while the Perlino had something else like maybe homo prl, just an educated guess based on the name spelling. I then color tested two horses, on of each color. The only difference was that one was SS while the other was StySty. Both were homo cr. So, what is the difference between these two colors? Is it something you can't see on gene testing?

SandyCreekAcres · Mar 30, 2016 5:07 AM

A Cremello is a red-based horse (chestnut) with homozygous cream.

A Perlino is a bay-based horse (E? A?) with homozygous cream.

A black based horse (E? aa) with homozygous cream is called a Smokey Cream.

As I'm sure you are aware, a Chestnut horse with heterozygous cream is a Palomino; a Bay with heterozygous cream is a Buckskin; a black with heterozygous cream is a Smokey Black and the cream causes only a slight dilution in the black pigment that is very difficult to see by eye.

These colors are completely testable, but may, of course, occur in combination with other dilution genes.

whiskey Oaks · Mar 30, 2016 5:21 AM

Oh, ok. I know any color with the word smokey in it meant it had cream. That's really cool to know though. Then if someone wanted to create a pal or a buckskin then technically they could use a Cremello or a Perlino to create said colors themselves :) thank you for the clarification.

SandyCreekAcres · Mar 30, 2016 5:52 AM

Yes, if you breed a cremello to a chestnut you should always get a palomino. Buckskins are a bit trickier, since you've got to pay attention to the Agouti gene in both parents, as well as the presence of dominant Extension (black). Having two required genes in play makes things more complicated since Extension is dominant when heterozygous and regular Agouti is the same.

One parent might be Ee Aa CcrCcr and be perlino. If bred to a chestnut that is ee Aa CC you could get a variety of results.

Ee AA CcrC -- buckskin
Ee Aa CcrC -- buckskin
ee AA CcrC -- palomino
Ee aa CcrC -- smokey black
ee Aa CcrC -- palomino
ee aa CcrC -- palomino

I think that's covered the most likely results, though the ratio may not quite accurate.

whiskey Oaks · Mar 30, 2016 6:42 AM

That's really cool to know. I just set up a pure Perlino breeding pasture a few days ago, I like the almost white appearance with the blue eyes. Maybe down the road I can use some of the offspring with a few of my other lines to create Buckskin.

KerredansCorral · Mar 30, 2016 6:55 AM

Another thing about Double Cream, is that is hides Champagne. One of my lines that I am breeding is a Cremello Champagne. Though I just put up a few Perlino Champagnes mares up for breeding, on the forum. Here is a link directly to them.

http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3180340
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3321489
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3329501

whiskey Oaks · Mar 30, 2016 7:08 AM

That's cool! I wonder if you make then het cr if you can get a champagne with blue eyes? A classic champagne with blue eyes would be so cool.

KerredansCorral · Mar 30, 2016 7:15 AM

I know there is a splash classic champagne or two in the ones I put up for breeding, that have blue eyes.

whiskey Oaks · Mar 30, 2016 7:27 AM

Yeah, they would be getting blue eyes from the splash gene. If you do it through the cr gene though I wonder if you can get a soild classic champagne with blue eyes.

KerredansCorral · Mar 30, 2016 7:48 AM

I think they need to be Homozygous Cream to have blue eyes. Your best bet would be to get a Splash Classic with a No White Factor, so it doesn't show Splash, but have the blue eyes.

whiskey Oaks · Mar 30, 2016 7:52 AM

Oh, I'm not going to do it. I was just curious if it was possible. I'm still trying to build a show herd that's big enough to support my current breeding lines lol.

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