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- annismyrph July 2020
- OopsDotCom July 2020
- Stone Silo Farm July 2020
- WhiteValley July 2020
- WitchwaterAcres July 2020
- Wolvevenfrost July 2020
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- annismyrph 3:48PM
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Since when are Stars and Stripes Pearls?
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I'm trying to sort my horses into some sort of order that makes sense, but when I search for Pearls, my two Rank Special Stars and Stripes keep turning up in the findings. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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Can you post them here? They might have both lucked into a copy of Pearl from creation! It's rare but it happens!❤Thanked by 1OopsDotCom
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https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=11140170
https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=11140249
They both have Pearl on their second set of genes, and I have no clue yet what that's all about. I can remember that I read about it, I can also remember it went way over my head. -
Yep! Because they have at least 1 copy of Pearl, that's what you are searching for in the search engine and they pop up too. Any horse that has just 1 copy of it will show up. Hope that helps!❤Thanked by 1OopsDotCom
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What keywords would I use to search for the information on this? What is the second set of genes called?
And yes, it helps, at least I think it does.Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2020-07-22 01:13:25 -
they are Chimera's or brindle's ; if you UNCHECK the Brindle bar they will fall off your search
you can also change the set of DNA the pearl gene is on to 100% ( so they always pass it )
or 0 ( so they NEVER pass it ) on to the offspring ; the " change DNA " is on the very very bottom of you GMT page and will NOT show up until you choose to Modify the horse -
Yes, I've gmt'd a few Pearls so far, trying to improve the selection I can match up to breed with.
To allow a mare 3 foals to see if she's broodworthy , then taking one of the foals and waiting a 4 months til it matures, then giving it 3 months to produce 3 foals... Between the breeding and the culling, it's going to take several real life years to build a small herd of breedable Pearls that have increasing abilities. The faster I can learn this stuff, the sooner that herd can become a reality, otherwise I'm flying without a flight plan.
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paper the mare ; its MUCH faster than waiting 3 months ; if the mare doesn't paper up from her momma she isn't worth breeding ; foundies will be yellow ( normal ) or red ( Ex Pro ) , if the baby isn't red on 2nd gen DONT breed her if they aren't blue by 4th gen DONT breed them
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This is Ammit's original post about the new chimera genes.
https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/44135/brindle-is-now-chimerism-and-update-to-gene-testing-notation#Item_7
There's a lot there but if you bookmark it you can come back to it whenever you want. The following part probably has the clearest basic information about how chimera works in the game.
'A chimera is treated just like two horses in one body (because it is) and will pick which line is the sire. A horse with Bay Appaloosa and Chestnut Tobiano as its DNA sets can act like a Bay Appaloosa OR like a Chestnutnut Tobiano when siring foals but never both at the same time. If you are confused give it a few test breedings and I think you will figure it out quickly enough.'
I had to read the whole post a few times before I understood how it works. :) -
Anni, thank you so much for putting the breeding program in a nutshell. White Valley, thank you for the explanation of how to shorten the time and breed efficiently.
Wolvevenfrost, thank you for telling me the genetics of the plan and how to get started.
I do still have a question, however. Where does the second pair of genes come from? The mare, the stallion, a mixture of both, out of thin air? Also, I'm trying to visualize it as a strand the same way the first set is a strand, is that how it works? And how does it "fit" to the first pairs? (I'm not sure I'm phrasing my question right, you may have to guess what I mean. I'm asking about the mechanics of it, I guess - how it is made and how it fits?)
Where a horse has the second set of genes, is it possible to switch them to the 1st pair? especially when a gene has hte little minus sign, or it says the parent doesn't have the right gene you want to switch? (E/- for example)
I'm presuming the first set of genes is what is on the horse, is the second set just invisible?
Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2020-07-22 10:08:51 -
An animal chimera is a single organism that is composed of two or more different populations of genetically distinct cells that originated from different zygotes involved in sexual reproduction. It's like having twins, except instead of them being two entirely separate individuals, they merge into a single one.
If you're talking about lined horses, you can switch the genes to anything the parents have, but the gene on the left side of the slash must come from the sire, and the gene on the right must come from the dam. If you're talking about foundations, if they are unbred, you can change them to almost anything.
I'm not sure what you mean by the first set of genes being what's on the horse, and the second set being invisible. Chimeras have two FULL sets of genes, and they are both visible (though sometimes the differences are so minor that they don't appear any different.)Thanked by 1OopsDotCom -
The way to think about chimeras in a simpler way is to just see them as two horses sharing one body. The stripes or patches are because you're seeing evidence of both sets of genetics. So when a chimera has a foal, the foal will get one set of genes from one parent, and one set from the chimeric parent, but it's a gamble as to WHICH half of the chimeric parent donates genes. It's almost like breeding a mare to two stallions and one of them catching and actually turning into a pregnancy. So each set acts like a whole horse.
If you take my horse here, basically, when I breed her, she'll EITHER act like a silver black, or a black horse with kit genes. So say I breed to her to a black stallion. If the set of genes with silver gets used, the foal will be silver black, and only the genes in that set will get used. Silver, but no kit M. If the black set of genes gets used (basically in a coin toss), the foal will possibly get kit M, but will definitely be black with no silver.
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The second set of genes is in some cases a twin that was absorbed. There are other cases as well, and chimerism is super complicated, but for simplicity's sake, brindles are just their own twins. Sometimes the gene sets are the same, sometimes they're different, based on how different sperm interacted with different eggs.
You're basically throwing two horses in one at the horse you're breeding them with and seeing which horse steps up to generically contribute.Formerly OscarWildin
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1 set comes from momma 1 set comes from daddy on EVERY " normal " horse ; if its a chimera the parents still only give one set of each DNA BUT the " second" full set is technically another horse ; you have the ability through the magic of GMT lab to "erase" one set by making it 0% inheritable ; other wise its a crap shoot which set from which horse will be used. if the horse is a foundation the parents are the clouds of magic DNA and you can add or remove what ever gene's you d like through the GMT lab ; if its a "lined" horse ; you only have the ability to grab what the parents had ; ei if momma was EE aa STY STY and dad was EE Aa STY/-
the only things changeable are 1 a to A ( or vise versa ) and one STY to - ( or vice versa ) you cant make the horse ee because both parents are EE ; you cant make the horse AA because 1 parent is Aa and 1 parent is aa.
does that make it a little easier for you to understand?
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Yes, I did understand all of this. I didn't even know about "tw all have done a great job of making sure I would understand. Thanks ever so much." in one body. And I've drooled all over my keyboard at that horse.