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Aug 29th Total Cash held will be capped at 9,999,999 per account | Q&A Inside
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On Aug 29th (the end of this breeding season.) I will making it so you can no longer hold more then 10 million hbs at one time (actually 9,999,999).
Who will this change affect?
The vast majority of our players will never see this 10 mill cap, but a small percentage of our users already have more then that. Some much more. This change will directly affect .74% of our players. And it is a big change so I will do my best to explain why this change is happening and what is being done to make the transition as fair as possible.
Why is this change happening?
In the past we had a show system where you spent money on entries to win money in payouts. This was a very stable way to run a game economy because the ratio of money in to money out was very controllable. It was great for me. It was however VERY difficult to learn how to master. Our new show system is much easier and better for our members but worse for me. Once a horse earns a point that point will pay out for the rest of it's life with no extra effort or expense. This is like printing money and printing money always leads to inflation.
Why is inflation bad?
With inflation the value of each bit of currency (in this case the hb) become less and less as time passes. In games similar to ours, it is common to see newly created horses being worth nothing. They can hardly be given away. While super horses will be so valuable that only the ultra elite can afford them. Often with almost no in between. Games with economies like this are unstable, unfun, and unfair.
How do I know this change needs to happen now?
Since the day the game was created I have been keeping a close tab on our economy for signs of inflation issues. Over the years I have implemented changes such as money bleeds like damages, and money sinks like more expensive breeding options and buying things with ivs. These things work for small adjustments but the new showing system has surpassed what small adjustments can account for. Watching the sales lists and breeding list is showing a growing trend in all or nothing values, and the numbers of users with massive cash reserves is becoming too large. The time to act is now before it becomes a problem and hurts the playability of the game.
Is this change unexpected?
No. From the day our current showing system was put into place I knew it would in time cause inflation. A check on how much you could earn from showing was ALWAYS coming, I just did not know what form it would take until now.
What other options is there?
There are several ways I can limit the inflation. I could return the game to a money out money in system like the old showing which would get rid of showing bonuses. To me this is the WORST idea. I could reduce the amount of money you could earn by having a hard (max amount) limit on the showing bonus or a soft (diminishing with scale) limit that reduced the amount you could earn as you bonus got bigger. This would work but I think it punishes players for investing lots of time and money in the game. I don't believe in punishing my most engaged players. I could put in a mandatory bleed. This would be things like a fee for having a big stable or a charge for having to much cash. I personally think that is confusing and again punishes people for playing the game well.
Why is this the best option?
Of all the options available to me this is the only one that does not punish people for playing the game well or limit the amount of money they can earn. It only limits how much they can sit on. A user could theoretically have a bonus of 70 million hbs per week (because of a switch to daily payout see below), spend all their hbs every day on game play and/or IVs. They would need to own about a quarter of a million horses for that to happen. I don't think anyone is going to hit that cap. It's large amounts of stagnant money that cause problems with game economies and unbalance them. As long as cash is moving we won't end up with the poor and the ultra rich. A 10 mill cap forces players to move that money or they lose out on bonus.
With this system there is no limit to how high players can get their bonus. The only limit is on how much you can horde. A player who spends their money regularly will not be affected, only those who are earning more then they can spend. The cap strongly incentivizes spending and converting to IVs. That gives ME more reason to give you fun things to spend those IVs on.
What will happen if I ALREADY have more then 10 mill hbs?
If you already have more then 10 million hbs you should start converting your extra cash into IVs, until you are under 10 mill. All super funzy stuff to buy from the game will happen in IVs not hbs so there is no reason to hold it as cash.
What if someone does not see this/convert to ivs in time?
I willing be adding an alert to the game that will tell a player they have more then 10 mill that will link them to this post. There will be about 5 and a half weeks for people to convert their cash to IVs. After the 29th I will convert all the extra cash held by players above 10 mill into ivs and then bring them under 10 mill myself. No hbs will be deleted, I will make sure they get converted so no one loses their savings.
What will I be able to do with those IVs?
In September we are going to have a week long festival of crazy things to spend those IVs on. Including pastures for that week only, and a special fantasy gene for that week only. I have a few ideas in mind and will be looking for more ideas too. Long term I also will be adding in many "status" items to purchase to burn IVs on like metallic body paint for your horses and other fun items.
What happens if I earn more then 10 mill hbs?
Any income earned that goes over 9,999,999 from any source (sales, breeding, showing etc) will simply vanish from the game. It is the players responsibility to keep an eye on their income. If anyone is earning money so fast that they can not keep up with all the millions of dollars they are raking in the problem would be how much they are making not this new system.
Can extra income be auto converted into IVs?
No, cash moves around in hundreds of places in the code. Trying to do that would be a nightmare, prone to all sorts of bugs. Again if you are making money so fast you can't notice earning 10 million I need to tone down how much you make.
I ran out of room on this post. More to follow!
Post edited by Ammit at 2016-07-17 14:12:11Need to contact me? Read this first.
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What are the benefits this change get's us?
- Well first off it keeps the game's economy from imploding, that's always a good thing but we can do better then that.
- The super rich can Scrooge McDuck their pile of IVs safe in knowing any big ticket game items will be available via IVs and not threaten the economy at the same time.
- A single cap point acts as a great leveler. Suddenly their is an absolute value to the amount of hbs anything in the game can be worth. That levels the playing field. While a million hbs is a lot of money a million is now 1/10th of the total amount of money anyone can carry. That means spending a million to buy a horse is meaningful and important. That may seem trivial but if you have ever played a game where a million dollar horse was a clunker and you had to pay 500 million to get anything good you'll understand why that's a big deal. Suddenly a player with 1000 show horses can play in the same league as someone with 10,000 horses. Being new or not spending real money won't make you impotent and irrelevant in the game.
- Now you can "win". I know it's silly but it's fun to have a goal. The 10 mill club is something neat to strive for and you'll be able to unlock things in game to show that off.
- Because of that leveling effect I can now carter to these next level players with some next level stuff. What I have to do to soak cash from a 100 million hb account is not the same as what I need to do with a 15 million hb account. Now they just have tons of IVs for me to make crazy things to spend them on. I don't have to convince them to convert, I can now concentrate on fun stuff instead of "needed" stuff. We need some "This is how I roll, animal print, pants outta control!" level swag.
- Biggest thing this is SIMPLE, it's simple to program, it's simple for everyone to understand. Just over 10 mill you stop earning. If you get close buy lots of IVs.
Here are some concerns I have seen mentioned that need to be addressed for this to work:
Income being spent faster then 10 mill in a week.
During breeding season some users can spend a LOT very fast. Instead of having weekly show bonus I will be changing it to daily show bonus (by dividing the payout by seven). If you run out of money you will be topped back up at roll over so you won't need nearly as large a cash buffer going into breeding season. It's REALLY hard to spend 10 million on breeding. That's 800 full embryo transfers or 10,000 live covers. So I don't anticipate this will be an issue for anyone with the change to daily payout.
Having to log in more often
The highest bonus I have seen anyone say they have is 5 million a week. That person would need to log in every two weeks and convert their hbs into IVs to not lose out on bonus. I don't feel like every two weeks at the extreme end (every few months would be more normal) is that much to ask. The accounts won't be punished, it just stops earning free money until you start playing again.
Creating fancy horses might take several weeks
Another concern was that if a horse cost over 10 mill to make it would take to long to get the IVs. Since everyone would be in the habit of converting hbs to IVs and there would be no limit to your IVs this should not end up being an issue. Everyone with large bonuses would end up sitting on a very large number of IVs that could be converted to GMTs at any time for fancy project horses.
This is a big change, and while it affects less then 1% of our players if effects or longest standing and most dedicated players. I feel that very keenly and it is VERY important to me that those players do not feel slighted over this. I know some people are going to be upset over this. While I know this is the best thing for the game that doesn't mean I expect everyone to be happy about it. If you need to vent you can send me a PM and we can talk about it. Your years playing the game are important to me and I want to do right by all my members.
If you have questions PLEASE ask them below. I want everything to be as clear as possible and the best way for that to happen is to talk about it.
Thanks so much everyone! I hope we are all looking forward to the awesome swag to come.Post edited by Ammit at 2016-07-17 14:15:38Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her - Well first off it keeps the game's economy from imploding, that's always a good thing but we can do better then that.
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This actually makes me really happy. I have no problem with a cap, it makes a lot of sense. I like that you don't want us to outright LOSE the money. I played another game where this was the case. Anything above the cap automatically was lost. IVs with fun stuff to spend it on is SO much better!Thanked by 1Ammit
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I am one of those players that is sitting on a bunch of money. I don't play as much as I used to, so my bank account has grown quite a lot despite my showing bonus being about 60% less than it used to be. I don't spend a whole lot of money since I had to drop my premium subscription and I pretty much only do live cover breeding now. I think this is a neat idea and I can't wait to how it affects the game. Also it will be great to have something cool to spend my moldy millions on!Thanked by 1Ammit
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I, too, am in favor of this change. In fact, I reduced my hb balance from a bit over 17 million to just over 9 million today, in anticipation of the upcoming cap deadline. Then I had fun in the GMT lab, creating this lovely foundation stallion, who, despite appearances, is really a chestnut with White 3.
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=4212982
I still have 104 IVs left and will have to purchase more before the next Showing Bonus payment. I'm looking forward to having a plentiful supply when all the new stuff comes out.
Post edited by SandyCreekAcres at 2016-07-19 06:32:17Thanked by 1Ammit -
Thank you for the very detailed explanation. As one of the players affected I am quite happy to convert my hbs into IVs in order to get more cool stuff than currenty available. It is very difficult for me to spend real money on the game as I don't earn much and the current exchange rate means things in dollars cost more (I will not give up my premium upgrade - that is essential to my happiness and wellbeing!) I look forward to September and beyond. Thank you for continuing to make this game dynamic and addictive. :)Thanked by 1Ammit
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I love this idea. I was a little concerned at first because I wasn't sure how it was going to play out. I love that you are not punishing those that worked hard to get their show herds built up. I'm no where near the top 1%, but I work on finding show stock and breeding show stock several times a week. I've worked hard to build up what I have. I never have tons of money sitting around though because I've already been sinking my "spare" cash into IV's, so this works perfectly for me. Thank you for coming up with something that will work for everyone, and I look forward to fun stuff in September. Time to start saving up my IV's to have fun when you come out with it.Thanked by 1Visions
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This change doesn't affect/may never affect me, but I really appreciate the long, detailed explanation, and the amount of time and effort put in to make sure everyone knows this is coming and has a chance to get on a level playing field.Thanked by 1Ammit
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Good idea! I am less active now than I used to be as well, and I'm seeing my money growing. Equality is important.
This only gives me one concern; wouldn't this affect (deflate) the value of IV's? Because if everybody is converting their money in IV's, would't there be too many fancy horses / LE genes which would then result in either rare genes that aren't rare anymore or in an alteration of the value of IV's (meaning everything you can buy with IV's will become more expensive; what you get for 10 IVs now costing 20 IV's in the future or more to prevent people from keeping to much IV's just as they have too much money now?)?HJ1 160524
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I'm not sure I follow your logic. The value of an IV is pegged it does not change.
As it stands anyone can already buy GMTs with IVs so it is no different if they sit on it as liquid cash or convert it into IVs. They still have the same amount of money.Post edited by Ammit at 2016-08-01 07:25:37Need to contact me? Read this first.
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There is now a big annoying sign at the top of the game for any user that has more then 10 mill hbs to make sure the KNOW what is coming. Once you are below 10 mill that goes away.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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Thanks for the reminder notice, even if it is annoying. That's probably what it take for some of us to pay heed. I did purchase 200 IV's the other day to get my balance down even below 9 mill, since my showing bonus is just over 1 mill each week, and the total sneaks up on me awfully quickly.
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I just purchased like 7500 ivs to get mine below 10 mill :DNeed to contact me? Read this first.
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Time for me to get busy converting to IVs! :)Thanked by 1Ammit
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Thank you so much for the notice. I have not played in the last 2 or 3 weeks and mine went over. I bought 330 iv's and got a 1,000 stall barn. I need to make sure I log in at least weekly when I am not breeding so I don't go over again.
Again thank you for the heads up :)
Thanked by 1Ammit