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What’s the best White genes for Phantom?
  • Just as the title says! I’ve been thinking of getting some phantom genes and was wondering what the best white gene combos are for phantom to really pop
    Thanks!
  • Tobiano, Kit M, either Sabino...at least that's what I use in my herd. ;)
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  • If you check the search you can get tons of examples and see what you like as well :D.

    What works best varies a bit from gene to gene.
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  • I love sabino with Phantom Autumn :D
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  • Tobiano for my vote it shows skulls really clean and does double duty if you have shatter
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    Other: everything but SPM and jewel
  • I like to use Splash with Phantom Jellyfish! Tobiano works well for any of the Phantoms but they won't show on horses with Lp. Also a few of them don't need a lot of white to show. Lace, Hearts and Autumn are able to show on a horse's coat without Kit genes. :)
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  • I thought some phantom showed on appy and kit did that change?
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    Ice: 9, 13, 15-19
    RR: wt, PBC, PBW, Nac
    PHAN: dmsp, lace, sku, hrt, shm, jelly, pmk, bird,crit sun star.
    Other: everything but SPM and jewel
  • They won't show on the Appy spots/blanket because Lp covers them up, but they may somewhat show if a kit was present With the Appy. Otherwise if the horse Just has Lp then no, they won't show Phantoms.
    Post edited by HorseAngel at 2021-09-09 17:55:31
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  • Most phantom genes don’t show on roan do they?
  • I wouldn't think so. Roan is an all-over pattern without large white areas. Phantom genes need those white areas to

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  • Well I bought my first phantom gene! I think he looks awesome! I plan on adding a couple more things to him, not sure what yet lmao
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  • Beautiful, but how is he not named caramel apple? Just wondering.
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    All Axiom
    Ice: 9, 13, 15-19
    RR: wt, PBC, PBW, Nac
    PHAN: dmsp, lace, sku, hrt, shm, jelly, pmk, bird,crit sun star.
    Other: everything but SPM and jewel
  • Oh that’s just a temporary name until I find something better. Wanted to make sure I was GMTing the right horse lmao. Carmel Apple would be a good name though
    Post edited by Blaze5115 at 2021-09-09 19:05:26
  • So that kind of depends on which kinds of phantom you want to get into.

    There's the ones that only show up in a white area: apple picking, bats, ghosts, jellyfish, pumpkins, skulls, spiders

    Diamond sparkle, shamrocks, and autumn are around the edges of white markings, and autumn is kinda unique in that it does that AND shows a little without any white.

    Phantoms that don't require white would be: autumn, cobweb, hearts, lace.

    If you're looking for large areas of white, actually the best KIT mutation is probably W20. You probably don't want horses homozygous for any other KIT mutation, because either that won't make as much white (like SB/SB) as one copy + W20 would, or it might be lethal (like W3/W3). W20 is only dangerous with White 1 and 2.

    Hom W20 + splash always works nicely! Or you could invest in Splash 2 or Splash 3, which are "louder" than Splash 1. Splash M is super pretty but does lighten the base color, so the phantoms might not stand out as much.

    I think my love of Pumpkin Spice GMT projects just showed itself...

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  • To back up what HorseAngel and SherwoodStables said ; Here is my HOM DMSP stud who is an tobiano appy you can see the DMSP Markings all through the black areas of his coat ; but where the appy blanket is he shows just the white :
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    And my HOM ApplePicking stud is tobiano ; you can see the APL showing as roan spots as well :
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  • Funny I find w20 doesn't really do much for skulls, to the point where I don't even consider w20 mares candidates unless they have something else, same with kitm.
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    Ice: 9, 13, 15-19
    RR: wt, PBC, PBW, Nac
    PHAN: dmsp, lace, sku, hrt, shm, jelly, pmk, bird,crit sun star.
    Other: everything but SPM and jewel
  • W20 alone won't work for phatom, but paired with a Kit gene, it expands to make more white ares, therefore giving more for the phantom to show.

    This one is W3 and W20
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    Autumn and Lace are my favorites. Autumn is subtle. Lace will show with roan or a solid coat.

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