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Foal did not survive
  • I had bred these two but the foal did not survive from excessive white markings.

    I looked on the matrix but didn't see anything that would cause that. Can someone help me see what I am missing?

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    PAF Blue Vertigo


    Black: e/E .Bay: a/a Flaxen: -/f Sooty: Sty/Sty Champagne: Ch/- Dense Pheomelanin: -/DP
    White Markings
    Kit Genes: -/W20Splash: -/SW1Appaloosa: LP/-Appaloosa Blanket Size: PATN1/PATN1Snowflake Varnish: snow/-Kit Promoter: KP/KP


    Additional Info
    White Factor: Extensive

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    PAF Blue Moon



    Black: e/E Bay: a/aFlaxen: -/fPangare: -/p
    White Markings
    Kit Genes: R/W2Splash: SW1/SW1Appaloosa: -/LPAppaloosa Blanket Size: PATN1/-Frame: O/-Varnish Regulator 2: H/-


    Additional Info
    White Factor: None
  • Looks like the W2 and W20 made a lethal combo.

    https://m.imgur.com/1F06KAw
  • Can someone explain the differences between he risks then? I understand the very risky, but what does low risk mean? i have seen w20 and w2 combos before onhorses
  • I think it has to do with the white factor as well. Like white factor none is safer than white factor maximum.
  • I think the white factor plays a role then. The more white that is expressed as handled by the white factor, the greater the risk that it will be a lethal amount of white on the foal.
  • I just don’t breed anything that could be lethal because even the slightest risk is too much risk for me. The one time I lost a foal was when I accidentally bred two het frame horses together because I forgot to check the genes on the stallion I was using since I was half asleep. I’m still kicking myself for that…

    Plus I never have to worry about trying to control amount of white factor this way :)
    I’m autistic and I struggle with any kind of communication, so I apologize in advance if I say anything rude or offensive because there’s a 99% chance that I have no clue I did it. I appreciate your patience with me!
  • This is a very high fatal rate. The first horse although has minimal kit genes has an extensive white factor with W20. Although W20 for the most part is safe. It's not when crossed with a horse who has W2 W3 or W and even sb1

    The second horse has alot of white kit genes.
    Just crossing a horse with frame and an extensive white factor alone can create lethal foals depending what Genes the other horse carries.

    The second horse also has W2 which is also high on the risk rate. Cross that with extensive white and get the frame combo and it results in high risk 2nd gen producing lethal foal unless crossed with minimal white factor horse with no frame or kit genes like W ,W2 W3 M W20 sb1, sb2
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    I believe SW1 is lower on the scale of risk.
    Sb1 and sb2 are medium to high risk depending what is crossed like W2 or W.
    I'm not sure with the appy genes as I don't do much breeding with those genes.
    Post edited by Brandybrookes at 2021-10-13 17:06:49

  • If a horse of mine carries W2 I try to pair them with a solid " no paint like genes" with little or no white factor or cross them with a tobiano with low or no white factor.
    I try to avoid W2 in general because of breeding frame and splash and sabino. I would have a lethal foal just about every time. I'll see if I can get some examples .
    Post edited by Brandybrookes at 2021-10-13 17:09:44
  • I may be wrong, but from what I’ve gathered from Ammit, white factor only affects the lethality of kit genes. Frame is not a kit gene. Frame is safe to cross with anything except frame. And there are no currently known fatal genes related to the leopard complex.

    Just don’t cross W2 with any kit genes except roan and Tobiano, and don’t cross W20 with W1, W2, or W3, and you’re totally safe. You can’t get a lethal kit foal if you do that.

    Frame crossed with W2 is completely safe.

    And Splash 1 is 100% safe with every single gene that exists in the game.

    I’ve only lost one foal out of all the horses I have ever bred and that was because I somehow managed to breed het frame to het frame in my sleep… I do a lot of weird things in my sleep, haha!
    Post edited by Nightphoenix at 2021-10-12 19:35:05
    I’m autistic and I struggle with any kind of communication, so I apologize in advance if I say anything rude or offensive because there’s a 99% chance that I have no clue I did it. I appreciate your patience with me!

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