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What, Exactly, Is an Excellent Producer?
  • Some of the herd helper say that they are excellent producers. The one thing I feel safe saying in connection is that they are not going to be spayed automatically. I'd like to know, though, what else it means. Are the foals going to be less likely to be snipped? Will they be better performers?
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  • They will have a higher paper level than most foundations. If it's a stallion, they will be B papered, if it's a mare, red papered. Basically is just means they have a higher paper level. B/Red is the highest paper level available for foundations without giving them a boost
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  • What MiaMoo said! But also remember that it does NOT mean you will get exceptional quality foals with every breeding....or even with every 3, or 8, or 10 breedings. It is based on a random shuffling of numbers that we don't/can't see. Your CHANCES of a better foal are higher, but no guarantees.

    Have you seen my "Mind the Gap" picture? It kind of shows how the breeding range, or breeding spread, or whatever you call it, works: image
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  • Breeding advice is helpful, but it was a puzzle to me why two horses that passed it would have a foal that did not. Thank you for the illustration.
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  • @Treble Just because two parents are breeding quality doesn’t mean every foal they have will also be breeding quality. Just like in real life, you breed the best to the best and hope for the best :)
    I’m autistic and I struggle with any kind of communication, so I apologize in advance if I say anything rude or offensive because there’s a 99% chance that I have no clue I did it. I appreciate your patience with me!
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  • OK lol I am bookmarking this discussion becuase it comes up a lot and ConfluenceStables I dont think has put it in the guide yet :)
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  • Did I understand correctly? a horse can't have higher papers than a B/Red? How do I get stars and golds then?
  • In response to the previous comment, B/Red are the highest papers you'll get for a foundation/create, unless you manually boost their breeding ability. Lined horses can be higher
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  • Foundations cannot paper higher than B or Red without alteration, correct. Boost tokens can raise foundations up to A or Blue. You achieve Star/Gold by breeding higher papered horses together (A+Blue, Star+Blue, A+Gold) :)
    Post edited by Valedictorian at 2022-05-05 19:18:18
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  • I'm afraid the pictures mean nothing to me. All 3 horses should make it over the gap.
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2022-05-06 04:16:42
  • Uhmmm @ OppsDotCom ; its not a matter of the horse jumping ability , its the distance where the parents meet in the "ditch" ; the closer the papering of the parents the more likely the foal is to pass BA / SBA
    Post edited by annismyrph at 2022-05-06 06:01:11
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  • So is 3 the best or is 1 the best? And how do I test horses on this method?
  • Lately I've been doing straws. I search for the stallion to see what his genetics and generation and papers are, then I find a mare with the same. I match Paper to paper and Generation to generation now, and so far only 1 didn't get clipped. So I'm still doing something wrong.
  • well AI breeding ( using straws ) the mare is only giving a 15 day pasture bonus to the foal ; not the full 30 day bonus so you Will see a higher snip rate ; also the higher you go in generation and papering the more foals wont pass in general, so you are really much better off with pasture breeding anything higher then 4th generation imo.
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  • For some reason I thought pasture breeding is cheaper than barn breeding. Is that true?

    And I don't do the 30 days in the pasture thing. I want the pastures empty so I can breed various groups of horses. I'll have to buy a few more large pastures to be able to use some of them for just mare storage. (Sorry I don't know what the right word is)
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2022-05-06 15:32:48
  • Pasture breeding is Significantly less expensive than "hand breeding"; you are missing out on alot of intact foals by not using your pasture bonus by leaving your mares in the fields for 30days, but thats the beauty of this game ; everyone can play it their own way :)
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  • Thanks. It was kind of a toss-up, save hb or increase quality of foals. Depends how broke you are, I guess. What exactly are the breeding costs in a barn and in a pasture? I couldn't track it down.

    Can I stuff a bunch in the 100 pasture, then when it's time to breed, put them in smaller pastures to sort into which mare = which stallion then breed, or do they loose the 30 days as soon as I take them out of pasture? Does it have to be 30 days or can it be less, by the time my pastures opens, the mares have lost 5 days from after turnover turnover plus 3 days from the 28th to turnover, so they've lost 8 days, leaving the pasture time at 21 days. Then as soon as bred, I'd need to move them out to make room for others to breed.

    How does breeding in a barn work, all I've been able to figure out is one horse at a time, and for me anyways, it's slow going.
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2022-05-06 21:53:35
  • Actually breeding in a pasture is less expensive ( 500 hb's per foal ) AND increases the quality of the foals because of the bonus ; as long as they stay IN a pasture and not a barn over night they wont loss the bonus ; so you can put them all in a 100 acre pasture and then sort then down to 1 at a time in a different pasture for your stud. Every additional day up to 30 increases the foal bonus. Barn breeding is 1 at a time.
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  • Thank you. So even 10 days (as an example) is better than none?
    Sadly, no way can I afford enough pastures for all my mares. but I can do some.
  • if you can't put them al in pasture please try to leave the higher generations in for as long as you can :) and yes 10 days is better than none
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  • Okay, higher generations makes sense. Thank you.

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