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- Ammit September 2014
- Kintara September 2014
- Meadow View September 2014
- SandyCreekAcres September 2014
- Stone Silo Farm September 2014
Strategy discussion...
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So I am new to the game, I'm gonna put that out there. I started playing once a few years ago and then quit because I didn't understand the complexity of it. However now, I am playing, I bought a basic membership, and I'm having a blast :)
I just put my horses in the pasture for my first breeding season, from reading some other topics I know that since most my horses are foundies, I should not expect amazing foals but to expect crap with maybe a good foal or two in the mix.
However this got me thinking. Which horses do I breed? From what I've read the good show horses should be gelded or spayed to make them more constant and allow more training, so that means the horses are are not constant and not as good at showing should be breeding horses? Well how do you know the good inconsistent horses from the bad, and won't two inconsistent horses make another inconsistent horse?
When players have good 'breeding' horses does this mean they have consistent horses that they show that they just don't spay/geld? And when breeding season is over those mares and stallions just go back to work?
If that's true what are inconsistant horses good for?
Sorry, I know these are a lot of strategy questions and there may not be one right answer, I'm just looking for some good opinions. I'm rethinking all the horses I put in the pasture!!!
Thanks so much in advance :) -
Hi Meadow View!
The game is definitely complex. The learning curve is juuust steep enough to keep it interesting!
First off, I wouldn't say that foundation horses produce crap. Basic foundations just have a pretty set range of what they can produce, but it certainly is not anything you need to be concerned about as being bad. Pasture breeding actually improves upon that because mares get a daily boost to their breeding potential while at pasture, up to a maximum of 30 days (which resets if you take them out of the pasture.) So non-pastured foundations give you okay babies, while pastured foundations can give you pretty good ones.
You're reasonably safe if you take full advantage of all of the testing that is available to you. Mare and Gelding Advice are free and they'll automatically spay and geld anything that isn't at least a moderately good breeder. Showing Aptitude Testing is also free and will (if you let it) automagically spays/gelds anything that is significantly better at showing than breeding. Other than that, you don't really need to worry about it.
The whole showing model has changed a bit since most of the old guides were written, and your income is now based on the overall total number of points you have accumulated rather than individual show profit. Basically that eliminates the need to have really stellar consistent show horses, especially at higher levels, and rewards the average player a lot more simply for showing everything as often as they can.
I hope that helps! -
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That did help!!! Thanks :)
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You asked whether breeding inconsistent horses is more likely to produce inconsistent horses. Well, I have observed that there is the usual randomness about this feature.
Breeding inconsistent horses does produce consistent offspring fairly often, but they may (I have no idea about this. It's one of those "Only Ammit knows for sure" areas)...those offspring may fall into the higher ranges of point spread that are classified as "consistent." Horses up to +/- 2 are classified as consistent and that creates a possibility of a horse with the chance for a 5 point spread.
However, breeding two consistent horses together can produce an inconsistent foal, and I know that that doesn't mean that the parents' consistency factor fell into the upper possibilities of point spread. Why do I say this? Well, in a recent breeding season I bred two Exceptionally Perfect horses together and got an inconsistent foal! That did surprise me.
My conclusion is that there may be a slight genetic influence on a foal's consistency (or may not), but the random throw of the consistency dice provides a considerable degree of uncertainty in the results for each foal. -
Breeding two inconsistent horses does get your more inconsistent foals, thus I try to avoid it. Using an occasional inconsistent horse won't matter too much though, as said they can still produce a consistent foal. They show fine, but have a wider range or scores making it harder to work out where they might come in their level of showing. They can win one day and come almost last another. On the whole I don't worry too much about consistency, they are generally lower PT's though so can be culled from my herds on that alone.
Foundations are fine, they are your starting point! Most people only breed foundation mares to foundation stallion and improve of quality with each generation. It makes it very easy to see where your breeding quality is headed. Generally breeding a foundation mares to a good lined stallion would not be thought of as improving quality or breeding quality. If that makes sense.