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Pasture update analytics and feedback
  • Breeding season has really wound down at this point. We may get some additional late breedings but for the most part, things are done. I want to both share the stats and ask people how the change in pastures has impacted them.

    Stats first. These are for bluegrass.
    98,527 total pasture foals born
    73,571 total purchased pasture foals
    24,956 total primary pasture breedings

    Primary Pastures:
    Premium: 4 users used all 3 slots. 9 users used between 108 and 230 slots. (1,386 foals in total in excess of pasture size)
    Basic Upgrade: 6 users used all 180 slots. 25 users used between 61 and 177 slots. (1,729 foals in excess of pasture size)
    Free accounts: 37 users used all 30 slots. and 48 used between 11 and 29 slots. (1,392 foals used in excess of pasture size)

    4,507 total primary pastures foals in excess of slots.

    Looks like pasture breeding is a big upgrade incentive. That is very important info for me.


    Purchased Pastures:

    Size 100:
    13 pastures owned by 4 users (2p, 2b) used all 300 slots. (2,600 foals in excess of size)
    9 pastures owned by 6 users (5p, 1b) used between 113 to 288 slots. (617 foals in excess of size)
    3,217 total excess foals.

    Size 60:
    11 pastures owned by 3 users ( 2p, 1b) used all 180 slots. (990 foals in excess of size)
    10 pastures owned by 8 users(6p, 2b) used between 62 and 120 slots. (296 foals in excess of size)
    1,286 total excess foals.

    Size 30:
    1 pasture owned by 1 user (1b) used all 90 slots ( 60 foals in excess of size)
    18 pastures owned by 14 users (9p,5b) used between 31 and 89 slots (248 foals in excess of size)
    308 total foals in excess.

    Size 10:
    16 pastures owned by 10 users (320 foals in excess of size)
    22 pastures owned by 19 users (187 foals in excess of size)
    507 total foals in excess.

    Cumulative total of 9,825 foals in excess of slots or 9.9% of all foals born.


    In total 42 purchased pastures owned by 18 were maxed out.

    Maxed out pasture use:
    1 user did this 2 times
    4 users did this 4 times
    1 user did this 4 times
    2 users did this 7 times.

    In total 100 pastures owned by 50 users used more than 1x number of foal slots.

    Over 1x use in a pasture:
    5 users did this 2 times.
    5 users did this 3 times.
    1 user did this 4 times
    2 users did this 5 times
    3 users did this 7 times
    1 user did this 8 times.

    29 users in the game created more foals (in purchased pastures) than they had purchased pasture slots for ranging from 2 to 1400 foals in excess. (9 users bred over two times the number of slots but most only in single digits. ) Of these only 7 users have 100 foals in excess and only 3 have 500 foals in excess of slots.

    The three users with 800 to 1400 foals in excess also maxed out or nearly maxed out their primary pastures. Of those three two are using foal churning with one having made 15.6 million in the auction this month and the other having made 9.2 million in the auction this month.



    Conclusions


    Overall it seems like this change is not massively impacting users BUT at 3x cap, we are still seeing some users using breed and dump tactics for huge profits. Importantly I am not seeing any trends that specific upgrade levels are more likely to max out the resources so there is no need to do any adjustments based on level but I do think we probably need to lower the cap to 2x the pasture size because of some exploitive behavior by some users. (Again to be clear they are not in any kind of trouble the game allows this. It is something I need to account for balancing reasons is all).

    I am going to leave the pasture cap at 3x for the May breeding season. It probably will be dropped to 2x the size of the pasture for June breeding season just to kick the legs out from the foal churning breeding but give some more time for those breeding over 2x time to adjust. I do not see any reason to lower the cap any more than that. These numbers look really solid.




    That is all the numbers I am seeing on my end. Let me know what your real-world experience with this change has been though? Have you had to change your breeding practices at all?
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  • Thank you, Ammit! I haven’t had to make any changes to my breeding at all. I appreciate the efforts to cut back on the foal churning. All the churned foals in the auction are always a headache to wade through to the point where I don’t even buy horses from auction much anymore because it’s so full of churned foals. I know some people like to churn to make money, but I think that cutting back on the churning will help make bidding on auction horses a much easier and more pleasant experience for everyone :)
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  • Ya improving the auction experience is a really nice bonus. :) We also had to get this fix in before I update the auction later this year.
    Post edited by Ammit at 2022-04-21 08:16:40
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  • Thanks for the numbers Ammit, super interesting to see! As always I'm late with breeding so expect a few 100 more foals haha. But im glad the pastures won't be turned down to 1x use, as I usually breed a pasture, then remove the 19/18yr old mares and replace them by younger horses so they can start accumulating days in the pasture. That was the only thing that I was a bit concerned about.
    So thanks for sharing and deep diving into this and putting my worries to bed :)
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  • Absolutely agree, it's interesting to see the numbers. And on my part, I wasn't affected by the change at all.
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  • Thanks for all the break down here Ammit. Personally, the change did not affect my breeding habits at all, as I (1) don't have enough barn space to support gobs of pasture breeding, (2) kept some mares out of pasture to collect eggs regularly, and (3) like to take advantage of the full pasture bonus for each breeding season. I actually didn't even use some of my pastures this season, and didn't fill all of the ones I did use. That may change a bit next season, but it worked well this month. I hope these changes can really help tone down the foal churning.
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  • Thanks for your very thorough research. I haven't been affected at all because I don't use the pastures in that way, but I think your plan going forward is very fair. Your hands on management is why this game is so popular - thank you once again.
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  • It's been difficult for me to breed all the mares I want to breed and still have a pasture bonus. I've had to pick and choose mares to pull out, which I don't like doing.
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  • I've also had to cull a lot of foundation mares, and next season I'll probably cull some 2G mares as well to make better use of pasture space. But, you know? I'm actually finding it to be a relief not to feel like I have to keep so many horses and then feel bad if I don't have time to breed them all every year. I have a good reason to tighten my breeding standards and cull more for color as well, not just quality. Before, I felt like if a horse was a good breeder even if it didn't have all of the genes I wanted, I should keep it and give it a chance because it could still throw a superior foal with all the genes I want and everything all in one package. I had a lot of 2Gs that were perfectly good, superior papered horses, but they weren't overly blingy so I wasn't overly excited about them and nobody else seemed to want them either. That always made me feel kinda bad. Now I have a good reason to really focus on just one stallion and fifty mares per line per generation (or for foundies at least) and I think I'm going to enjoy the whole process much more.

    I haven't finished my breeding for the season either. I always do it late, sometimes on the last day, and this season I'm still waiting to accumulate more pasture days on some of my higher gen mares that I put out in my new pastures earlier in the month. I still have a few hundred mares to breed this season, which I'll probably do all at once on the 27th. I'll probably still use all my available breedings in all my pastures before the season is out, because I have a lot of foundation rescue mares that didn't fit but I'd like to get some intact fillies out of them before I auction them to make room for next season. As long as the limit never goes to 1x per pasture, I think I'll be very happy with this change.
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  • The changes hasn't affected me at all since I only breed my pastures once. I do like to buy up yearling foals from the auctions that have reasonably high PT scores to replace my show stock that passed away, but I don't think the upcoming changes would affect that too much. And yes I do keep the foals that I breed that fail SBA, it's just that I'm losing more than I am able to replace at this point, because I cut back on my horses last month to make breeding less of a chore for me. But like I said I don't think it will become difficult to replace my show horses that die off.

    I do have one pasture left to breed, but that's just my foundation pasture.
    Post edited by Forestshadow at 2022-04-22 13:45:43
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  • @Treble This is no different than before. If you were using the pasture bonus you always had to pick and choose. For a full pasture bonus, you can only use the pasture one time per year. For any meaningful pasture bonus you need to keep a mare in for two or more weeks. Breeding horses right after putting them in the pasture gives no bonus at all.
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  • @CLynnRose I know you had some worries going into the change so it is a big relief to me to read this :)
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  • Just wanted to point out that since not much has changed to reduce the viability of making money through "churning," particularly masochistic people could still use manual breeding to crank out mass numbers of foundation bred foals for auction. This could also push some less honest players toward using macros or other automation tactics. To truly eliminate churning, you would need to make it no longer profitable rather than just tedious.
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  • How many people are still puppy-milling foals? It sounds to me like the cap on pastures is working better than it was expected to.
  • When it comes to tediousness being a deterrent, for me the big change was when bulk auctioning became available to basic upgrade players. Before that, I only ever bred and auctioned maybe 200 foals and their dams. Any more than that was just more clicking than I wanted to do, especially with my internet constantly clogging up.
    Post edited by Cavalynn at 2022-04-23 16:25:11
  • What is foal churning?
  • It's where you create mares, breed them, then auction both the mare and the foals to gain hbs.
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  • I'm missing something. It costs 2500 to breed a foal, then you auction them and only get 2500. How does that give you income?
  • @OopsDotCom Using pastures. It's only 500 hbs to breed a foal in pasture so it's 2,000hbs profit per breeding. Plus if you create a lot of mares to breed that way you're bound to hit the lottery a few times as well. Sometimes it even covers the cost of the mare creation and their sale becomes profit too. That's why the pasture cap was implemented. Otherwise you could use pastures to create an unlimited number of foals for pure profit.

    Edit: And I'm pretty sure it only costs 1000hbs to hand breed in-house, not 2500hb. Though it's 3000hbs for AI breeding.
    Post edited by Cavalynn at 2022-05-22 21:24:33
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    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2022-05-22 23:51:40
  • @Lynn, thank you for explaining.

    edited to add...
    On your "Create a horse" it says 2500 to create.
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2022-05-23 03:02:47
  • It does cost 2500 to create the mare, then 500 to breed for a total of 3000 hbs. Then you auction both horses for 2500 hbs each (or more if someone bids on one of the horses). Since you've spent 3000 to create both horses and sold both at 2500 each, you get 5000 from the auction for a profit of 2000 on the 2 horses.
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