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OopsDotCom · Sep 26, 2022 7:52 PM

I know everybody has different methods, but I'd like to hear them as advice to make my own decisions.

When you cull, what do you look at? Points this year, points total, daily payout, expected lifetime payout, or other things? and what would you consider a fail at different ages, say 5, 8, 10?

I want to put some of my bootstraps into show coz I'm done with that group of mares, but I want to make sure none are costing me more in entry fees than they're earning. I also want to make sure the income from auction is worth losing the horse's payout, but I really don't want to do the math on several barns full of horses individually.

I'm considering making a spreadsheet that will help me decide and keep track of horses, but I'm not sure how to choose what is the X and what is the Y.

Humboldt · Sep 27, 2022 1:21 AM

I only cull 10 years or older so auction pays lifetime payout. Right now, I cull every 8L horse, and most 8R. They are low point payouts. This makes room for new foals coming in.

I also cull horses over 10 years old that have less than 500 total points, no matter what level.

I also cull horses over 10 years old that have lower point totals compared to their same age and show level. My barns are default organized by show level and age so they are clumped together and easy to compare.

I have too many horses to go page by page looking at their show records and show placings. If they don't earn, they go to auction at 10. My daily profit dips a little everytime but I can easily pull in 800k in an auction payout. Turn that right into IVs.

Starstruck2 · Sep 27, 2022 4:05 AM

Halfway through the month I go through and cull anything over age 10 that has leveled off and made less than 20-25 points for the year so far. This generally gets rid of my poorly showing horses that aren't going to increase their LTP much. I don't cull show horses under age 10. I usually get a nice little chunk of cash from auctioning these horses and it frees up barn space for new show horses.

HayesStable · Sep 27, 2022 9:03 AM

So when it comes to my monthly foal crop, I start with SBA and then papering and gene testing. As long as they pass SBA, get the specific genes for that line, and paper where I want per generation, I will do Comparison Testing and snip all that test aga. I don't cull based on PT.

For show ponies, I cull everything 10+years that has less than 500 points. I send them all to auction to get the extra money for breeding etc.

OopsDotCom · Sep 28, 2022 12:56 AM

Thank you. This gives a much clearer picture of ways to do things, and you all pretty much agree with each other.

OopsDotCom · Oct 1, 2022 3:39 PM

Interesting. I auctioned the last 3 pages of horses over age 9 sorted by points, but after the 3 pages, I chickened out, worried my dpo would drop too much. Instead, my dpo rose. (last month, not the current month.)

Can someone explain that?

annismyrph · Oct 1, 2022 6:37 PM

That happened to me wen i did a cull a long time ago ; Taliesin explained it by saying those horses cost you HB's to show them ; so you are "saving" or earning more by having them gone from your barn

Treble · Oct 1, 2022 6:55 PM

This has been an interesting thread to read. I've been auctioning horses in the 4-7 year range if they're too low, so I guess I'll be holding on to horses longer now. Thanks for the advice, people.

OopsDotCom · Oct 1, 2022 9:55 PM

I think what I need to do is the math, pick a high dpo horse, a middle one, and a low one (or points). Calculate the cost to enter shows per month (8 shows) and compare to earnings this year. Trouble is, I don't know if earnings is after the deduction for show entry, or before the entry fees are deducted. Then you can make sure your horse is making a profit. Or maybe they're added in the dpo? Earnings totally confuses me.

OopsDotCom · Oct 1, 2022 10:06 PM

@ Annismurf, do you remember how you set the lowest dpo you're willing to keep? Where the "break even" is?

annismyrph · Oct 2, 2022 6:07 AM

Anything that is showing in the 8 levels are probably not breaking even :
According to the chart : A horse costs 40 -70 HB's each show ; so they need to earn 80-100 HB's a week just to break even ( I do Daily payout of the show fees ; if the horse isnt earning 40HB's a day, roughly 360 points at 9 ( the "typical" Rank 5 Foundation horse PT score ) they will start to cost and not earn for you.

Entry Fee
Local Regional National World
1: Inhand
5
10
15
20
2: Green U/S
10
15
20
25
3: Green O/F
15
20
25
30
4: Training
20
25
30
35
5: C Level
25
30
35
40
6: B Level
30
35
40
45
7: A Level
35
40
45
50
8: Grand Prix
40
50
60
70

Fiddler · Oct 2, 2022 7:44 AM

@annismyrph, but they only show 2 times a week and they make money daily, right?

OopsDotCom · Oct 2, 2022 8:15 AM

@ Anni - thank you so much for the information. And, Fiddler's question is mine too. How do the earnings get calculated? (not the DPO)

And when you say "earning HB" do you mean the "earnings" or the DPO? (just making sure I understand correctly.)

annismyrph · Oct 2, 2022 9:28 AM

Unless I am mistaken the daily pay out is a percentage of the lifetime payout of the horse. "Earning HB's " is the daily payout.
say your horse A ( 10yrs old ) pays out 35HB's daily, BUT he is in 8N which costs 60 for each show ; so 60x2 + 120. 120 is the "cost" for his stall. 35 x7 = 245 is what he brings in
so 245 - 120 = 125 Earned
now Horse B ( Also 10 ) pays out 83 HB Daily , costs the same to enter ( So still costing 120 a week ) but bringing in 581 a week
so 581 - 120 = 461 Earned.
this is where you cull Horse A and Keep Horse B. Hope this helps a bit more

OopsDotCom · Oct 2, 2022 11:50 AM

Anni, that's perfect, I understand that. Thank you.

Where did you get the cost of a stall?

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