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Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 7:18 AM

This is a chunky update and one I think will be very exciting for everyone, even those without premium upgrades!

First what changes are for everyone?
You will now notice that the create a horse page no longer has toggles for height and weight. There is now a drop-down telling you what breeds you can create instead. If you don't have an upgrade or never set up your breed name, it will say "National Riding Horse, National Sport Pony, etc." If you have set up your default breed you will instead see "Mybreedname Riding Horse, Mybreedname Sport Pony, etc."

I am uncertain if this setup is going to cause misclicks but it is how I am able to get this working at the moment. If it becomes an issue I will update how the form works.

Also, regardless of your upgrade level, if you breed together two horses of the same breed (other than the default National breed) the foal will be born that breed AND be automatically assigned that breed's tattoo at birth.

Breeding will now tell you what breed your foal is at birth.

What has changed for basic upgrade users?
Instead of "National" you will now see your breed name on the create a horse page. You can set a default tattoo for your breed and all your new creates and foals born of that breed will automatically gain that tattoo.

What has changed for premium upgrade users?
If you have a premium upgrade head to Member Home >> Account and Stable Management >> Manage Stable Settings. From this page, you can found new breeds, and set the name, rules and tattoo for that breed. Please note that you must set up a name and a bone weight rule before you can use this breed in game. It cost 10 IVs to found a new breed. The initial name setup is free, and the price is 1 IV per name change after that.

With these new breeds, you can give each of your lines a unique breed name to help keep them organized and automatically assign tattoos at birth. If other players breed a stallion and mare from these lines together the foal will automatically take that breed name and tattoo, even if the foal is many generations away from your founding stock. **Note that only "purebreds" can be born into breeds not owned by the breed**

Why is the bone weight rule but height is optional mandatory?
You have to set a bone weight rule because of upcoming changes we have planned that will require all horses of the same breed to use the same art assets. Ponies and cobs in the game use the same art assets as their larger counterparts so that rule is optional. If you breed a foal that does not meet the rules you set up for your founded breed it will be born as part of your default breed.

What about my existing lines?
Right now founded breeds are limited to new creates. That is because I want to get in some testing on low-stakes horses before I let you lose to mess about with your more precious lines. You will be able to change the breed of your existing horses next month. (ETA before Easter weekend.) You will only ever be able to change the breed of horses you have personally bred or created, and for a limited time you will be able to set the breed of older horses though in the future this will be age limited.

Other coming features:
I recognize the need to be able to search by breed now, and a way you can get info about a breed's setting if you are not the founder. These things are coming next month.

Breed inheritance rules
Here is the full rundown of breed inheritance rules. Premium users can see this when they found a breed but I wanted to have the full info available for all.

Things to know about breeds:

It costs 10 IVs to found a new breed. New breeds will be created with the breed name "National".
After creating the breed you will be able to set the name, weight rules, optional height rules, and default tattoo for this breed.
Each breed only works for light-boned, medium-boned, or heavy-boned horses.
Once your new breed is founded you will be able to register the breed of foals bred by you, and create new foundations of that breed.
Only horses bred or created by you can be set to your breed.
Breed names are not removed in the event that you no longer have a premium upgrade, but will become uneditable until your upgrade is renewed.
Breeds named "National" are never inherited.

Foals inherit the breed of their parents under the following rules:

Foals must be the correct bone (light, medium, heavy) for the foal to inherit the breed name.
If a height rule is set, foals must be the correct height to inherit the breed name.
If the sire and the dam are the same breed, and the foal follows the bone weight and height rules, the foal is born that breed, even if you are not the founder of that breed.
Foals born to breeds you are not the founder of will still have the default tattoo of that breed.
When cross-breeding, the foal is always born to a breed you are the founder of.
When cross-breeding, the sire's breed always takes precedence. If you are the founder of the sire's breed, and the foal meets the rules for that breed, the foal will be born the same breed as the sire.
Foals will be born the same breed as their dam during cross-breeding, if you are the founder of the dam's breed but not the sire's breed, and the foal meets the rules for that breed.
Any foals bred by you, that cannot inherit the breed of their sire or dam, will be born under your default breed name.

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 7:41 AM

Just a note that right now if you breed two university bred horses together (ie clones) you will get a university bred foal. I am not sure if I want that to be the intended behavior or not yet. Happy to hear input on that.

DarkFrost · Mar 22, 2023 7:52 AM

This is a great update, I love it a lot and already went ahead and created my breed! :x

One thing that bothered me before the update post was out was when creating new horses I saw a drop-down menu and cannot do one-click creates.

Would it be possible to disable the Default breed for new creates so that we only have one option available (for those of us that breed very strictly in height/weight)?

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 8:17 AM

Sorry DarkFrost, I am having trouble understanding what you are asking. What does "one-click creates" mean?

DarkFrost · Mar 22, 2023 9:12 AM

Thinking about this some more (and playing with it), putting the created breeds in Alphabetical at the top above the default breed options might be a better option that has the same end result.

For those with only one breed this would mean that would always be the default selection. For others they likely want the selection anyway so this would not have added any steps for them.

Would that make sense?

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 9:20 AM

Alphabetic is really not an option as that would make a huge mess on the back end and would break other stuff. I really don't want to mess around with this. It's not a good idea to make a bunch of changes to something the moment it comes out. I just don't think making one selection is an issue when it already remembers your selection for all additional creates. You had to make selections before and it was not an issue. This really has not added any more steps. If anything there is one less option to mess with.

Cavalynn · Mar 22, 2023 10:30 AM

Can breeds be renamed or have height/weight settings changed when there are already horses carrying that breed name? If so, what happens to horses who no longer qualify under the new breed standard?

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 10:36 AM

From the stable settings page

"Breed Rules:
Each founded breed can only be used for a single bone weight (light, medium, or heavy). It is mandatory to set a bone weight rule. Optionally, you can decide if this breed allows all sizes or is limited to standard, pony, or collectible heights. Chose your rules carefully, they can not be altered if there are any existing horses of this breed."

I don't have this lock functionality working yet but it will be in place shortly

Cavalynn · Mar 22, 2023 11:33 AM

There may be a bug with naming newly founded breeds. I founded a new breed and it was the default "National" at first and said that changing the name would be free (which makes sense because I hadn't picked a name at all yet), but when I changed it to "Morelian" I was charged 1 IV.

ChateauAlbere · Mar 22, 2023 11:56 AM

@ClynnRose. Mine over on HJ2 (48504) did that as well.

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 12:26 PM

I wonder if it is recording as being charged with out actually doing so. I will do some testing.

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 12:36 PM

It was checking if your default breed was set to National or not. Quick fix and I have already sent out refunds. :)

Cavalynn · Mar 22, 2023 12:53 PM

Thanks for the refund! I just noticed one more thing though. It's not a big deal, just confused me momentarily when I saw it, but the IV transactions shows the breed founding and naming as credits rather than debits. They're not red or negative numbers. My actual balance is correct though, down 10 IVs after founding and naming my new breed, but the log isn't showing them as purchases.

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 12:55 PM

Lol, I thought they looked odd when I saw them in the db. Thanks for catching that!

Herzeloyde · Mar 22, 2023 2:15 PM

I love this!

I would love for offspring from 2 university horses to get your personal breed name, just because university horses have a lot of restrictions to them, and they are a huge investment, so it would be sad if the foal also inherits those restrictions

(I am not sure how it works IRL, if the restrictions are tied to the name "university" or not)

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 2:17 PM

The restrictions are tied to the breeder being the University. The breed name does not actually have any impact. This would not cause the foals to have any restrictions.

OopsDotCom · Mar 22, 2023 2:57 PM

I'd love to see a thread where people show off their new breeds?

Herzeloyde · Mar 22, 2023 3:13 PM

This is going to be so much fun!

RedtailFoxFarm · Mar 22, 2023 3:21 PM

How do you set a default breed tattoo if you have a basic upgrade? I didn’t see it on the Manage Stable Settings page

Ammit · Mar 22, 2023 3:24 PM

Ah sorry, that is a typo. It is a premium feature.

SharayahStables · Mar 22, 2023 6:06 PM

Hmm interesting! I already have “set” lines (RH Chinchillas, RH Mushrooms, RH Fantasy, and RH mushroom/platinum. This is a neat feature I hope to use!

Cherobird · Mar 22, 2023 8:28 PM

I literally can't wait to change my existing lines. This is such an exciting change that I'm all aflutter with ideas. All i ask if, even for a short time, you please please please give us a way to mass change :)) i know I'm gonna spend an actual decade with my OCD trying to change all of the ponies, and if we have to change them on each horses page I might cry LOL of course if it's a big hassle for you to code i will pull myself up by my bootstraps, i promise ;)

As always thank you so much for these exciting updates! Always love seeing things change and grow with the website!

primagina · Mar 22, 2023 8:30 PM

This is super cool.

Cavalynn · Mar 22, 2023 8:38 PM

@Cherobird Ammit said in the general hangout chat that she's thinking there will have to be a bulk option for breed name changes. :)

Cherobird · Mar 22, 2023 8:43 PM

@CLynnRose ^:)^ i am as relieved as i am thankful wahaha!

bluchrystals · Mar 22, 2023 9:31 PM

Oh, I can't wait for this! I've always called my lines different things so being able to have breed names for them is going to be awesome!

Ambervalleyarabians · Mar 23, 2023 3:55 AM

Question on the breeding lab. You mentioned that when we implant the embryo, it would default to the breed name per parameters.

I just implanted a few embryos this morning and they defaulted to the default name, not what I set up for warmbloods, The embryos were created prior to the change. Is this why it went to the default name?

And can I change this horse's breed to the proper breed name?

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update: I created this horse via the lab. The horse defaulted also. Is that because the older horses breed names werent updated yet?

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Its not a problem for me, as I havent started my own lines, etc. More of a curiosity

Ambervalleyarabians · Mar 23, 2023 4:18 AM

Also, in setting up a breed name for collectibles, I am unable to set it with "no bone size". Do I need to set up individual names for each bone size for collectibles?

Ammit · Mar 23, 2023 4:29 AM

Ambervalleyarabians those foals inherited the breed of the parents exactly like I said would happen. The way you breed is irrelevant, I never said anything about embryos. Bone size is mandatory as explained in the OP.

Ammit · Mar 23, 2023 6:03 AM

Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts. Based on member feedback, breed inheritance has been changed so that the "University" breed can not be inherited.

Kintara · Mar 23, 2023 4:36 PM

Oh what a great update! I'm off to have some fun with this new feature!

Kintara · Mar 23, 2023 4:47 PM

I have a question, my default breed name is already Kintarian, what happens if I use that? Or I could just use Kintarian Cobs? Although it will already say cob won't it? I think I am getting myself confused lol! I just wanted to set the bone weight with my breed but keep Kintarian

Ammit · Mar 23, 2023 4:54 PM

If you are using your default breed you can not set a bone weight. The default is the catch-all for anything you create/breed so can't have rules. You could create a new Kintarian breed if you want for just cobs and change your default name or you can just keep Kintarian as your default.

MackZ · Mar 24, 2023 11:26 PM

Next month, when the ability to assign newly founded breed names to existing foundation stock becomes available, will the existing offspring of those foundations automatically receive the new breed name? Or will we only be able to change the breed name of unbred foundations?

Ammit · Mar 25, 2023 5:09 AM

You will have expended breed-assigning abilities for a short while when it first comes out.

What about my existing lines?
Right now founded breeds are limited to new creates. That is because I want to get in some testing on low-stakes horses before I let you lose to mess about with your more precious lines. You will be able to change the breed of your existing horses next month. (ETA before Easter weekend.) You will only ever be able to change the breed of horses you have personally bred or created, and for a limited time you will be able to set the breed of older horses though in the future this will be age limited.

Nightphoenix · Mar 30, 2023 1:08 PM

Wow, so much fun stuff! Hopefully I’ll be able to come back sometime this summer to try it out! Geez, it’s been like a year since I’ve been able to play. Thanks for being so awesome, Ammit! This is some great motivation to help get me through the last month of the semester and to motivate me to get through my summer classes!

OopsDotCom · Apr 3, 2023 2:35 PM

Ammit, you said "You will have expended breed-assigning abilities for a short while when it first comes out" but I don't understand what expended means.

Ambervalleyarabians · Apr 5, 2023 4:38 AM

She means expanded. You will be able to assign your breed names to generation horses not just foundation creates

OopsDotCom · Apr 5, 2023 5:17 PM

Thank you.

OopsDotCom · Apr 24, 2023 3:46 PM

I can't find where to make the breeds. And if my stallion is university created, and my mare is not, are the foals university breed? What about if I change the university bred stallion to a mare, and the non-university mare to a stallion?

annismyrph · Apr 24, 2023 5:31 PM

I am pretty sure Both parents need to have the same name for the foal to carry it. ALso pretty sure you can't change the name of University horses.

bluchrystals · Apr 24, 2023 8:16 PM

@OopsDotCom, I think the italicized part is what you're looking for.
Foals inherit the breed of their parents under the following rules:

Foals must be the correct bone (light, medium, heavy) for the foal to inherit the breed name.
If a height rule is set, foals must be the correct height to inherit the breed name.
If the sire and the dam are the same breed, and the foal follows the bone weight and height rules, the foal is born that breed, even if you are not the founder of that breed.
Foals born to breeds you are not the founder of will still have the default tattoo of that breed.
When cross-breeding, the foal is always born to a breed you are the founder of.
When cross-breeding, the sire's breed always takes precedence. If you are the founder of the sire's breed, and the foal meets the rules for that breed, the foal will be born the same breed as the sire.
Foals will be born the same breed as their dam during cross-breeding, if you are the founder of the dam's breed but not the sire's breed, and the foal meets the rules for that breed.
Any foals bred by you, that cannot inherit the breed of their sire or dam, will be born under your default breed name.

OopsDotCom · Apr 24, 2023 9:19 PM

This is what's confusing me. To me these two statements look contradictory.

When cross-breeding, the sire's breed always takes precedence.

Foals will be born the same breed as their dam during cross-breeding,

I believe I need to have my university bred one to be not the default breed if I don't want the foal to be university? y stallion is university bred, the mares are not.
https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&gelding=0&spayedmare=0&name=bronze&owner=147035&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0

bluchrystals · Apr 24, 2023 10:45 PM

This part.
Foals will be born the same breed as their dam during cross-breeding, if you are the founder of the dam's breed but not the sire's breed, and the foal meets the rules for that breed.

OopsDotCom · Apr 25, 2023 6:33 PM

Okay, how does that apply to this, my stud is university.

When cross-breeding, the sire's breed always takes precedence. If you are the founder of the sire's breed, and the foal meets the rules for that breed, the foal will be born the same breed as the sire.

Since I'm not founder of the sire's breed because he's university, does that mean they will be the same breed as the dam?

bluchrystals · Apr 25, 2023 6:54 PM

The way I'm understanding it, yes.

OopsDotCom · Apr 25, 2023 8:52 PM

Does genetics play any part in the make of a new breed? As in, all of one breed need to have matching genetics? Here are the ones I would like to see as a breed for myself
https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&name=tamaron+bronze&owner=147035&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0

bluchrystals · Apr 25, 2023 9:29 PM

I don't think we have the ability to set genetic specifications. :-? At least not yet. ;)

OopsDotCom · Apr 25, 2023 9:53 PM

So all we can specify for our breed is size? (height/weight). (As well as breeding two horses together to get a foal the same breed).

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