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What are your culling cutoffs for foals from yellow/c foundations?
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I started out breeding only red/B papered foundations, and have a pretty solid idea of what my 2G's from those should look like.
I'd guess (of the ones that pass SBA) that there's around a 60/40 split between red/blue papers, with my typical range in keeper PTs looking like 10.4 - 10.9 (with a rare outstanding 11!).
Then when I get to 3G, it's probably 10/90 red/blue papers, with a PT range of ~10.8 - 11.5.
I don't have a lot of 4G, but what I'm getting seems to be 50/50 blue/gold papers.
I just started breeding yellow foundations for Era 14, so I don't have a good benchmark of where my 2G's (and on) should ideally be hitting.
I'm culling any 2Gs that are yellow/c papered (seems to be about 10/90 yellow/red). I don't have as good an idea about PT yet. My almost not culled 2Gs are ranging from 10.4 PT down to 9.3. I'd really like to push that toward 9.9, but that may cull too hard on some of my special colors.
I don't have hardly any 3Gs yet, so I'd be curious as to the typical ratio of how their papers tend to come out, and the PT range for them. -
I don't cull by PT score, I tend to ignore it entirely in my breeding stock except for bootstrap. I only keep red 2g from my yellow stock, probably 80% in a big pasture come out red but I further cull those by comp testing. I only keep blue 3g in any lines, but it's a much lower percentage that come out blue when you start with yellow. In my big lines there's plenty of keepers, but in a 10 acre pasture it's pretty common for only the BIP foal to be A/blue for third generation. So 10% with some variation between 0-20% on different months. This is also with a full 30 pasture bonusPost edited by Starstruck2 at 2023-04-21 05:34:27Starstruck2 on Bluegrass and Forest
Betony707 on Forest & MesaThanked by 1lecobb8 -
I keep only red/B paper foals from my second gens. That is an easy low-bar cut-off point. Personally, I only keep maxed-out colts from any generation and keep about 1 colt for every 50 fillies.
I only keep blues and A's from 3rd gen. I don't have a good feel for the 4th gens yet. I never look at PT score ever, only AFPT once it is time to start reducing down my mare numbers for a specific generation because I have so many daughters from them.
I keep every single thing I alter and show it.Post edited by Ammit at 2023-04-21 06:27:43Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/herThanked by 1DarkFrost -
@ammit will you adopt me? :)Thanked by 1HayesStable
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I really need to be able to afford another 1k barn so I can start keeping all my foals.
Since I started the Era 14 breeding, I have kept every one of those foals, but didn't have enough room to do that in the past. I mostly sold my 3G+ foals, and filled the barns with higher pointed horses to get my daily payout up. But I think I can save up for another 1k now, if I keep my sticky fingers off the GMTs...
For Starstruck and Ammit, who aren't culling based on PT, is your next cull based on comp testing or AFPT? Or rather, which one would be a more likely indicator of a good breeder?Post edited by lecobb8 at 2023-04-21 07:06:16 -
After SBA, I alter all inconsistent. Then I cull anything that doesnt fit my color/ gene requirements. You have be Hom sooty, DP, and ee to be breeding stock in my barn. I also alter all foals that didn't get the genes I want from the line (ie mushroom or wtc or ww).
After all that, I paper and cull what doesn't meet requirements. Then I comp test and cull anything aga.
I get 6 to 10 foals from a 100 acre pasture that stay as breeding horses, sometimes 1 to 4 from the small pastures. The rest are all show horses. -
I only keep maxed-out stud colts so I just pick the colt that has the genetics and pedigree I want max him and am done. I don't filter my mares down at all other than SBA, before 4th gen other than by red at 2nd gen and blue at third. I keep them all. Like I said I want 50 mares for every colt I keep so I have no reason to reduce my numbers. Any mare who isn't amazing will make show foals for the show brigade.
My fillies get culled one time by SBA as foals (and paper level).
Then I don't look at them again until I am ready to reduce numbers. Then it is lowest AFPT spayed and in the show barn first.Post edited by Ammit at 2023-04-21 07:29:24Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/herThanked by 1lecobb8 -
I only keep B/Red 2Gs and prefer my stallions comp test superior to an exceptional producer if I can't afford to max. Almost all my 2Gs pass the paper level benchmark when they're out of fully pasture-boosted perfect foundations. For my new line, I use only maxed colts for every generation. For my older lines that I'm not spending a ton of GMTs on anymore, I just use the best of bunch each generation or do comp testing until I find a stallion that tests as good as or superior to another best of bunch of the same generation. I rarely gender swap a best of bunch mare to a stallion as I don't do a ton of comparison testing of mares so I like knowing which girls in the herd are the best. I mostly breed fully stocked 100-acre pastures so I can be pretty sure that the best of the bunch is pretty darn good. I keep more colts intact than I should, but I only use one per fifty mares each generation, so anywhere from four to six stallions per generation to cover all the pasture mares. (I'm so glad now that two stallions can fully cover 100 mares in a pasture without the breeding cycle stopping part way, so it perfectly uses all the breedings and gives me the actual best of the bunch.)
For 3Gs, I keep only A/Blue and I tend to keep only best of bunch stallions for breeding or max the best color colt if I can afford it. I'm still looking for a way to have a surefire comparison testing standard for 3Gs like I have for 2Gs. So far I've just been comparison testing to past best of bunch 3G colts that have produced well to find other good breeding colts.
I keep only A/Blue 4Gs that test superior to sire/dam (this is the expensive generation, so I do a color cull before quality cull unlike my lower generations).
And I only keep Star/Gold 5Gs that also test superior, because I have had Star stallions that only tested as good as their A sires, and that's not a stud I want to use. I might let a Gold mare slip by for a while though even if she only comp tests as good as, especially if I don't have a ton to choose from in that generation yet. After that I start egg pulling/flushing and AI breeding and doing a lot of comparison testing and some maxing as I can afford. I haven't figured out when I should be expecting to hit **Star/**Gold yet, but maybe 8G? I'll see in a few months when my 7Gs are old enough.Thanked by 1lecobb8 -
From yellow/c foundations, second gen red/b, 3rd gen blue/a, 4th gen superior blue/a, and hopefully *gold/*star by 5th but I haven’t gotten there yet. I don’t comparison test anything until 4th gen. Geld/spay everything that doesn’t meet paper level and keep for show barn.Thanked by 1annismyrph
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I fully test everything I breed. From yellow/c stock I only keep as breeders those that are red/b. If a colt it must test superior to sire (regardless of paper level). I used to auction off anything not superior or below a 10 on points. But last few generations I have kept everything.
I am currently rethinking exactly what I am breeding and realizing I had way too many colts so have gone on a massive gelding spree.
I seem to hit a good number of gold/star by 4gen, but also by then getting more show ponies than breeding stock.
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Lynn, can you expand on what you mean by 4G's being the "expensive generation"?
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Yeah, 4G is the first generation where I comp test everything before breeding. Before that I only comp test colts to make sure I'm using the best I can. Maybe I should comp test more in 3G, but it's expensive so I just go by paper level so far. But 4G is the first generation where you can't make a full paper level improvement so comp testing is the only way to cull for improvement.
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Ahhh, gotcha!