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- Bandit1119 January 2018
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- GoldenSpur 11:43PM
H&J Showing: Points vs. Profits
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Points are king. Every week your account gets a showing bonus directly equivalent to 50% of the total number of points held by all the horses currently held by your account. Both numbers (your total points and your weekly bonus from showing) can be found in the Performance Overview section of your Stable Homepage.
Your weekly profits can also be found there, but let me be the first person to assure you that number means virtually nothing. As long as your weekly showing bonus is bigger than your net profits, you've got positive income. Sometimes by a little, sometimes by a lot.
Any horse can accumulate points throughout its entire lifespan. Every time a horse shows, unless it comes in absolutely dead last in its class, it gets at least half a point. As long as the horse shows regularly, it keeps accumulating points, and unless you sell it or until it dies of old age, those points count toward your total accumulated points, which means they add to your weekly showing score.
How do you decide if a horse is earning its keep? A tiny bit of math!
Here's the information from a randomly chosen horse in my show barn. Particularly relevant to this exercise are her TOTAL POINTS (999.5) and her PROFIT totals (-3879). That red number can be pretty intimidating... but is it really something I need to worry about?
She's actually still earning points (not many, but a few) so let's round her total points up to an even 1,000. That means that every week, she adds 500 hbs to my total showing bonus.
If I look at her recent showing record, I can tell she's actually not really an awesome show horse. She comes in last or next to last almost every time she shows, which is part of why she's only earned about 10 points this year.
She actually came in 7th! in her most recent show, barely, probably because of random luck placement. She won a whopping 35 hbs for that, and picked up 2.5 points. Doesn't look very awesome for her, especially since in most of her shows she's not doing anything at all.
But how much is she actually costing me? She's showing at Grand Prix Local, and once upon a time that was a very expensive class to enter. Today? Not so much. Today, it costs me.... 40 hbs to enter her.
If she shows twice a week, every week, she costs me 80 hbs per week. But she's worth 500 hbs per week, even if she comes in last every single time. 500 minus 80 is... 420 hbs. Every week. She's definitely not my top money maker, but she's also not bringing in nothing at all. A totally free account with no shared stables earns, what, 5000 hbs a week? 12 horses just like my example here would bring in 5040 hbs after showing expenses.
When is it worth getting rid of a horse like this? When you can fill that stall with a horse that makes more money. How do you know if the horse is making more money, or has the potential to make more money? Exactly the same steps as above. Remember, though, that it takes a long time for a horse to accumulate even 1,000 points, but they will always have those points and as long as you own the horse, you get paid for them. This is why it can pay to keep as many of your geldings and spayed mares as you can find room for. They don't earn much in the beginning, but over the long haul, that little bit turns into a whole lot.Post edited by Stone Silo Farm at 2016-06-13 16:45:19 -
Thank you for taking the time to spell out showing so well!
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Wow this really helped me.
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Does this same formula work HJ2?
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The current showing bonus in HaJ2 is approximately 75% of the total points because they only live half as long in real-life terms. It takes 2 real life months for HaJ1 horses to age 1 year, that gives them about 8 weeks of training, on average, per horse year. HaJ2 horses age 1 year every month, giving them 4 weeks of training on average per horse year, so the higher showing bonus percentage helps even out that training disadvantage.
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Can you update this page to show the math you used again? The photo's are expired.Montesque breeder of appaloosa Nat'l Draft horses.
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Montesque the math is quite simply:
Horses total points /2 = show bonus
Here’s a random show horse from my barn
http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=4069238
Total points = 1346
She earns me : 1346 / 2 = 673hbs per week
Showing her costs : 50 x 2 =100hbs per week
Profits : 673 - 100 = 573hbs per week
She is 11 years old so will sit in my barns showing and earning more points for a minimum of another 7years (13 months since we are half through the year) before possibly dying.
Even if she didn’t earn another point (unlikely as she’s been earning 8-22points per show) she will still earn me 32,088hbs of profit before she turns 18 and possibly aged out of the game.
573hbs x 56 weeks = 32,088hbsPost edited by Bandit1119 at 2018-01-29 21:48:55Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genesThanked by 1Montesque -
The last mare I posted wasn’t bad but I have better.... and I have worse lol
Here’s other examples of horses from my barn that are the same age and have had the same amount of training and normally live in auto show barns showing twice a week (I don’t usually leave mares in the pastures as I prefer to show them and grow my show bonus but some mares have been left in pastures for a while) these are the highest and lowest pointed 11 year old show and breeding horses
Spayed mare - http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=4069285
Total points = 550
He earns me : 550 / 2 = 275 hbs per week
Showing him costs : 35 x 2 = 70 hbs per week
Profits : 275 - 100 = 205 hbs per week
Potential minimum profit earned before passing away : 205 hbs x 56 weeks = 11,480 hbs
Gelding - http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=4069408
Total points = 1698
He earns me : 1698 / 2 = 849hbs per week
Showing him costs : 50 x 2 =100hbs per week
Profits : 849 - 100 = 749 hbs per week
Potential minimum profit earned before passing away : 749 hbs x 56 weeks = 41,944 hbs
Mare - http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=4069392
Total points = 1163
She earns me : 1163 / 2 = 581 hbs per week
Showing her costs : 50 x 2 = 100hbs per week
Profits : 581 - 100 = 481 hbs per week
Potential minimum profit earned before passing away : 481 hbs x 56 weeks = 26,964 hbs
Mare - http://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=4069226
Total points = 427
She earns me : 427 / 2 = 215 hbs per week
Showing her costs : 40 x 2 = 80hbs per week
Profits : 215 - 80 = 133 hbs per week
Potential minimum profit earned before passing away : 133 hbs x 56 weeks = 7,448hbs
My 11 year old breeding horses will earn me a minimum profit of 7,448-26,964 hbs before aging out of the game but my show horses will earn me a profit of 11,480-41,944 hbs in the same amount of timeBreeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genesThanked by 1Stone Silo Farm