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Some foals:







This one isn't purebred. I think it said Gypsy/Percheron/Paint, but it's a standing still side shot.








EDIT: These are some better foal images, these next three particularly I think:





















Nice heads on this pair.

I'm glad to learn more about the term "gyspy." To me, where I live, I had no negative connotation for it whatsoever. It actually had a sort of romantic connotation I thought. I think "Vanner" is a good name to use instead because it's immediately recognizable. The other names mentioned wouldn't have brought an image of a "Gypsy Vanner" to my mind at all.

Cavalynn I think a lot of non-Romani people have no idea it's considered a slur because most of us are taught next to nothing about marginalized cultures. The same way "Squaw" has been used as a romantic term for an indigenous American woman and now that indigenous voices are being listened to and saying "actually we hate this" are people realizing it is problematic. We can't know about what we have never been exposed to.

Stallion


Mini Vanner/Cob

Foal

Mare

https://vanners.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Photo-Guide-to-the-Gypsy-Vanner-Breed-Standard.pdf

I have 3 things to add after reading the post:

1) I'd caution against using too many stallion refs (I've noticed it in other breed suggestion posts as well). While it changed obvious things like neck crest. It really changes the shape of the head. In this breeds case, the head is a very specific part of their confirmation standard. Stallions tend to develop a bulkier head and this breed is described as having a very soft, sweet and doll like head.

2) While the Cob we have now can pass as a Vanner, when not looking at Vanners, it's really just a shrunken Draft. So the proportions are still very much horse, and not pony. Right now we have the feather pack, but we don't have very good control over it when it comes to leg colors. So it would be nice to have a draft with lots of feathers where we don't need the feather tack pack.


The head is covered, but this is a nice clean body that shows off great detail since the entire side is white lol. Jenx might have to fraken-pony together some different refs.

3) I'm all for changing the name. I mean they aren't supposed to be breeds in the game any way, just body types. You just happen to be calling them by the breed name they were inspired by. That said, you could call it a Vanner Pony. Or a Vanner Cob. According to the breeds history the reason they chose that name to honor the people they came from and the task they were used for. Aside from it being a slur, the reason I support the name change (and you can find recorded video of this) is an American couple claim to have discovered the breed and revealed it to the world at one of the big horse expos. The problem with that was the horses have been around for a long time prior. This couple was on vacation in the 90's visiting the UK and after going to the Appleby Horse Fair, they came back to America claiming to have discovered this new breed. They claim responsibility for introducing this breed to the world. For me, the history of it's development in America came off a little like appropriation. The breed wasn't "discovered" it's always been around, but in selective areas. Then everyone started going to the UK and importing horses. They would buy them cheap, and sell them for a fortune. Import/Breeders started slandering one another about what a Gypsy Vanner was or wasn't, and now we have a couple different registries because of it, with almost every color seen and questionable breeding with less than 30 years of documented history in America. So yes, end my mini rant. But that's my justification for changing the name.

Thank you for your reasoning for using Vanner as the breed name in the game, I understand that and therefore support Vanner as the name for them here
I'll try and find some good photos of them, paradoxpheonix posted some good ones, I like the the second one of bluecrystals, and the buckskin and one above it

@CheshireFarms everything you posted is why I am hesitant to use Vanner as the name. As I understand it that term is not used by the people who created this breed and really mostly used by the Americans who appropriated the breed. My foremost preference would be to call the breed what its original creators call it.

Also, I will add that I would love to have some more mare looking art sets. It really comes down to what images we can find to use. As Jenx gets better and better at horses we will be able to use exact images but for now, we are pretty limited to what can be found and that tends to be studs.

Irish Cob is a good thing to call them.

IMO, the name should have been corrected here in the states while the breed was still new to this country. We are (or were, if it’s caught on anywhere else it’s our fault) the only place they’re called Gypsy Vanners. It would be like another country importing Quarter Horses and renaming them something derogatory.

The family that named them that here also made up a lot of the history of the horses. To make it more “romantic” or whatever.

Um this one has a beard...

They are all Beautiful horses I love the Vanner/Irish Cob

@Ammit wait until you see their famous mustaches LOL

Irish cob works as well.

Irish cob is definitely a good name for them, the Irish ones are often a bit bigger and more drafty, the UK often just calls them Traditionals. I get that it's hard to pick a name, Vanner is ok because realistically this is an American based game. So whatever you end up calling them is fine by me. I call mine Gypsy Cobs, if the UK dramatically change the breed name there we'll follow suit.
I LOVE that one you re-posted with the beard, he's one of my favourites! He's a bit rump high, but otherwise a perfect cob I reckon

His front end is farther away from the camera than his back end. His is not square to the camera making him look off.

Yeh you could be right re the bearded one! I think he's a super example of one anyway

I think Irish Cob is a good non-offensive name for them :)

Woah apparently there are also Mini Gypsy Cobs and something called a Stepping Cob which has fancy knee high action like the Friesian.

I read that Ireland want to protect and register the breed as an indigenous breed under the name Irish Cob, so I think this is one more reason to go with that name

https://inrbs.ie/irish-cob/

Hm, after some further investigation, it seems like Ireland is changing the name this year, to Traditional Cob?

https://www.theirishcobsociety.com/

Is Tinker derogatory in the same way as Gypsy? They also get called Tinker horses

It is neutral in its original meaning, but in Ireland it is considered a offensive word when used about the Travelling peoples. Tinker was the original name for the breed in Norway, but they are now changing it to Irish Cob for that reason

Traditional Cob it is! :)

Awesome Traditional Cob is great! Maybe we could have a 3/4 head look someday just to see cool face markings :) OOh Heterochromatic eyes that would be so cool :D