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1. To the best of my knowledge, the only foundation stallions who paper better than C are Exceptional Producers and Exceptionally Perfect Herd Helpers, who tend to paper B. On the other hand, regular create mares do sometimes paper Red, although Yellow papered foundation mares are also to be found. I haven't worked out the exact ratio there.

2. Probably not, but it might happen. Charlie's decision implies only that the son is not significantly worse than his sire. I've occasionally comparison tested C papered 2nd gens to their sires and have gotten the "about as good as" response, which implies that the son's breeding ability might fall anywhere from "slightly less good" to "slightly better than" his sire. I have had lined colts paper the same as their B or A papered sires and yet comparison test superior to them. Star papers, being the highest there are, will produce superior sons with no higher paper to be awarded. However, most of their male offspring are "about as good as" or even "worse than" even when they paper Star.

3. If the son has a rare color or pattern you really, really want to pursue, you might choose to keep one intact and breed him at least until you get a colt that tests superior to his sire. It all depends on you and your goals for your stable. I tend to geld C papered second gens without trying a comparison test. I would definitely not keep a C papered colt from any higher generation, no matter what.

I have an A papered foundation Stallion.... he is an 'exceptional producer' with a 5% breeding boost.... He is yet to produce a colt who is superior to him (only first season though!). He did produce one colt who was about the same but I gelded him as I really want to continue improving my lines, not settling for good enough.

The cheapest way to use a stallion like that is cover him over ExPro or normal foundation mares, get a band of daughters and then cross those with a second gen that is superior to his sire. You are extremely unlikely to get a superior son breeding a stallion to mares 10% lower breeding ability then he is.