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I would purchase a DP day, where all my creates have DP.

Or purchase an Exceptional day, where all creates are Exceptional.

I like the first couple options you listed too.

Of course, that would work for me! Saves me endless create time, I could restock a pasture in a day.

Would a mass create, as in all possible creates made at once, feature on a DHH be doable?

Being able to "resurrect" or clone a long dead horse would be amazing. I know i have a few i would love to bring back. I'm crazy sentimental sometimes.

Maybe some chance bundles? Like "X amount of time, you have a higher chance for X" on creates, or "for X amount of breedings in pasture you have a higher chance for X". (i thought twins on foals would be something cool, or maybe higher chance for passing foals). Not sure if that would fall under too much to code.

Perhaps run a contest with "mystery genes"? You pay X amount for a menagerie of genes and see what you can make with it? Maybe do a tack contest with it.

Maybe this one is cheat-y, but perhaps an option to boost foundations to Star/Gold?

"picking a herd helper to be assigned for you with as many creates as you want" - this one would be neat, i think a lot of people would have fun with it, filling barns and doing new projects.

Being able to add more than 2 copies of some of the fantasy genes would definitely make some interesting (maybe broken?) Combinations.

Team work makes the dream work guys, I'm sure we can help :x

Mass creation would require coding and that is expensive so not a good fit for this.

CheshireFarms I would want to approve all the images before I accepted payment for that but yes that is doable.

RKO I would have to charge something like 3000 dollars for that because of how expensive it is for us to create BCs. It would be a nightmare on our end to do so we really want to avoid player-directed BCs. Player's simply don't know what is required to make a BC that works.

I have gone over the ideas on all three servers and these are the ones that stand out to me as really very doable. I have ranked each one by how much time they would take me to do because this sale is all about selling my time. I have not included any kind of shop/gene sale as that would be a different sort of sale event and not part of this particular special offer. T1 is the least and T4 is the most time expensive.

The ranks are not a price, it is how much time it will cost me to do this for you. I still need to factor in other things to make sure the pricing is balanced for what you get. I would love for you to let me know what you would be willing to pay for the ideas listed below.
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Here is how it will work. I will add a token to the upgrade shop that costs 5 USD. You will purchase however many tokens you need for the amount of work you want done. The minimum order is 50 USD (or 10 tokens) worth of work.


T1 -Change the name or breed characteristic of a horse you used to own but is now deceased.

T1 -Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. You must already own the boost tokens to do this.

T2 -Convert any pasture into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.
T2 -Convert any barn into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.

T2 -Pick any herd helper rank 5 or below, get 250 creates, and lasts 5 days
T2 -Pick any normally available, RS herd helper, get 100 creates, and lasts 5 days
T2 -Pick any, Special event only RS, get 50 creates, lasts 5 days

T2 -Convert any unbred rank special you have into an exceptional (or normal) version of that rank special. Discount for bulk edits of horses in the same barn needing the same edit.

T2 -Have 10,000 show points assigned to 1 horse of your choice.
T2 -Have 2,500 show points assigned to 3 horses of your choice.
T2 -Have 1,000 show points assigned to 5 horses of your choice.

T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 barn: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding horse (or horses in the case of a tie) in that barn by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per barn.

T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 horse: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding offspring of a horse by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per sire/dam.

T2 - 100 straws, or 25 eggs from any deceased horse with the last owner’s permission*
T2 - 25 eggs from any mare you own, up to 500 eggs total


T2 -Clone any deceased horse with breeder permission*, or any foundation horse you own regardless of breeder, or any lined horse you own with breeder permission*. **

T3 -Clone any lined horse and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. **

T4 - Design your dream Herd Helper, and receive it for 50,100,or 250 creates, lasting 5 days depending on how many GMTs it is valued at. Hard limit of 20 GMT worth of rare genes per herd helper. (Exceptional status counts as 5 GMTs)

T4 -Create a background tack pack: YOU create up to 10, 500 by 500 px images. They must all be approved before I will accept payment. We will add the game logo and add it to the game as an option for any player to purchase, and you will get it automatically unlocked.



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*Permission is deemed granted automatically if the breeder (for cloning) or prior owner (for seed stock) if the player has been inactive for 6 months or more. If the player is still active, permission must be obtained before I am contacted for this service.

** You will purchase my time to do this cloning for you with USD, but will still need to cover the cost of the cloning. We can work out covering that cloning cost with USD if you prefer but just know the genetics of the horse will impact the final price.


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Please let me know what YOU would think is a fair price to pay for these services. Thanks.

I am starting to think roughly 10 USD per tier for my time with the understanding that I may adjust the price of individual items up or down based on what you actually get. The general price range I am thinking is between 10 and 50 USD for the things I have listed above.

Designing a herd helper would be the most expensive and might be more than 50. Or maybe it would be 50 but then you would have to pay additionally to get the giant group of creates from it.

So T1 being $10, and T4 being $40?

T1 -Change the name or breed characteristic of a horse you used to own but is now deceased.
Would this allow you to change all the alive offspring that you currently own as well? Trying to figure out the benefit for a $10 value.

T2 -Convert any pasture into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.
T2 -Convert any barn into a larger version, just pay the price difference, rounded to the nearest 5$.
This doesn't make sense to me. For example a 60 pasture is $30, and a 100 is $50 ($1 per 2 slots). The difference is $20, plus the $20 cost of a T2. So for a $40 investment, you're only gaining 40 slots ($1 per slot). You'd be better off buying 100 slots for $10 more.


T2 -Convert any unbred rank special you have into an exceptional (or normal) version of that rank special. Discount for bulk edits of horses in the same barn needing the same edit.
$20 seems high for this, since it only takes 1 boost token ($10) to turn an RS into Red/B paper. Or am I not understanding how that works?

T2 -Have 10,000 show points assigned to 1 horse of your choice.
T2 -Have 2,500 show points assigned to 3 horses of your choice.
T2 -Have 1,000 show points assigned to 5 horses of your choice.
Is there a reason why someone would take 5k points over 10k points? I don't know if there is a strategy there I'm not familiar with, but it seems like offering the other two options is just more work for you.

If you have price suggestions please do make them. I am having a difficult time getting people to suggest any.

It's hard to price things for a couple of reasons.

1) I'm assuming that if it's something that is already in game, there shouldn't be extra coding for it (Plug-n-Play style). Or very little coding. But since I don't know what actually goes on behind the scenes, I don't know how much time it would actually take you to do something.

2) It's hard to balance the value of your time, vs. what the market will give. For example, as an illustrator, people often ask if I would make a custom sticker of their pet. Their expectation is a $4 sticker, and not the $100 min I quote them because of the time I put into it.

3) I may not see a value in something, but someone else does. Maybe that person only had $40 to spend at that moment, instead of the $50 for a better deal.

If you're going to be putting a lot of your already limited time into custom orders like this, maybe pick 2 or 3 things that you could focus on and write some code to help streamline it more efficiently for you. So it's a chunk of your time upfront, instead of spread out across multiple transactions (which depending on how many sales you get, could take you more time than it would have, had you written some code).

Another thing you could do, is offer a customized breed name. Right now our breed names are limited to 1 word. So we have to come up with 1 word to sum up our breeds. When I wanted to do the Mustang Sport Horses, I wanted to call them North American Spanish Sport Horses...but couldn't put that into one word lol. But if given an option, I could name them North American Spanish (WB/RH/SP ect)

Members on forest have done a great job at starting to post some suggested prices if people would like to see what they are thinking.


What multiple people did on forest was copy and paste the entire list of offers and put a price next to each item (sometimes with comments). That is the most helpful feedback I have gotten on any server and would love to see members do the same on this server. :)

Feedback with the understanding I have no idea what it actually takes you time-wise to get things done LOL. This is just kind of how I value something based on what we can do in the game already. (had to trim some to make it fit).

T1 -Change the name or breed characteristic
1 token ($5) - I still don't know how this benefits players. I guess it's just for appearance. This might also get complicated, if you change an older BC to a new BC, the image would have to change as well since they don't fit in the old backgrounds.

T1 -Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality, then double boost.
Question; What are you considering double boosting? 2 1% boosts? Can they go over 5% if you allow double boosting?

1 token ($5) - this was a weird one to price, because of the HB/$ value of boosts. I can buy a 5% boost with $2,500,000 hbs or $40 usd. Based on the Bluegrass economy, it's better (and probably easier) to buy with HB's.

T2 -Convert any pasture or barn into a larger version
1 token ($5) - I'm not sure how much of a market value there is to this. But at least if you are making them buy a minimum of $50 worth of tokens, at least you have that large chunk upfront.

Honestly I don't think this is worth your time, and if people actually crunched the numbers, I'm not sure they would trade in a token for it. 1 token prices out everything but the 1k barn and 100 pasture conversions. 2 tokens would still give you a discount on the 1k barn conversion by about $3. But would make the 100 pasture conversion equal to buying a 60 acre, and they gain an extra 20 acres for the same investment.

15 --> 30 stall = $5.50 (rounded down $5.00) + $5
total $10.00 | stall gain 15 | 1.5 stalls/$1
They could buy a 15 stall barn for $6 less and still gain 15 stalls.

30 --> 60 stall = $10.00 + $5
total $15.00 | stall gain 30 | 2 stalls/$1
They could buy a 30 stall barn for $5.50 less and still gain 30 stalls.

60 -- > 90 stall = $9.00 + $5
total $14.00 | stall gain 30 | 2.14 stalls/$1
They could buy a 30 stall barn for $4.50 less and still gain 30 stalls.

90 --> 120 stall = $9.00 + $5
total $14.00 | stall gain 30 | 2.14 stalls/$1
They could buy a 30 stall barn for $4.50 less and still gain 30 stalls.

120 --> 210 stall = $28.45 (rounded up $30.00) + $5
total $35.00 | stall gain 90 | 2.57 stalls/$1
They could buy a 90 stall barn for $6.50 less and still gain 90 stalls. Or just buy a 90 stall barn for $2.50 more

210 --> 1000 stall = $234.05 (rounded up $235.00 + $5
total $240.00 | stall gain 790 | 3.29 stalls/$1
This is the only one that I could see might work, because if you convert it to barns, you're either paying more to match the stall gain, or paying less but not matching the stall gain.

10 --> 30 acre = $7.50 (rounded up $10.00) + $5
total $15.00 | acre gain 20 | 1.3 acres/$1
For the same price they can buy a 30 acre pasture and gain more acres than converting their pasture with a token.

30 --> 60 acre = $15.00 + $5
total $20.00 | acre gain 30 | 1.5 acres/$1
For $5 less they can buy a 30 acre pasture.

60 --> 100 acre = $20.00 + $5
total $25.00 | acre gain 40 | 1.6 acres/$1
This is the only one it works on, because it gives you a slight discount in a way. To gain at lease 40 acres, you'd have to buy a 60 acre pasture for $30.00. If you don't have the $30 to spend, but have $25, you could use this, but you get less bang for your buck.

T2 -Convert any unbred rank special you have into an exceptional.
1 token ($5) - if you charged 2 tokens, that's $10 and would be the same as 1% boosting, which gets them to be Exceptional already. So if it's not a cheaper option for people, I don't think you should invest your time in it since we can already do this in the game. It might depend on how much you discount bulk edits.

T2 -Have 10,000 show points assigned to 1 horse of your choice.
This one I can't price, the economy is so different across the servers. I'd have to figure out how much HBs a horse with 10k points would earn in their life time, and then value it against the current market. Bluegrass rate would be low, but the other servers it would be high.

I do however think you should just make the 10k on 1 horse option and limit the work you would have to be doing across multiple horses.

T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 barn.

T2 -Breeding ability consult for 1 horse.

This seems like a lot of work. And is it really needed with our current testing? Plus we get an email from each of our pastures with the best foal? I'm just trying to figure out as a breeder, how would this make my program any better than what I'm currently doing?

T2 - 100 straws, or 25 eggs from any deceased horse with the last owner’s permission.
2 tokens ($10) - however I can see a few problems with this. What if the horse was gelded and sold at auction as a show horse. The last owner didn't have breeding rights to the horse.

T2 -Clone any deceased horse with breeder permission*, or any foundation horse you own regardless of breeder, or any lined horse you own with breeder permission*. **
2 tokens ($10) - all day long I would spend this. So many times I've encountered wanting to clone a foundation horse, but either my friend made it before I GMTed it, or I picked it up off the market from someone else.

T3 -Clone any lined horse and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. **
2 tokens ($10) - I wouldn't spend more than $10 on this. It's really no different then the option above. What does the Paper and PT look like on a Perfect Ability Foundation? If it's less than Red/B and 10.40pt when the cloned parent is so much better than that, I wouldn't be interested. I would say that would be a minimum for a lined clone, unless the parents are worse than that.

T4 - Design your dream Herd Helper, and receive it for 50,100,or 250 creates, lasting 5 days depending on how many GMTs it is valued at. Hard limit of 20 GMT worth of rare genes per herd helper. (Exceptional status counts as 5 GMTs)
4 tokens ($20) - This seems really powerful, but not sure why you would pick 50 creates over 250. I'd say pick a number and leave it at that. For 20 gmts, I could make an Exceptional double DP and still have 5 gmts left over to use towards base color and white patterns. For the going rate of HOM Snowflake, or HOM DP & sooty horses, I could make a fortune if you let me create 250 Exceptional foundations (eventually the market would crash and there'd be no demand for them lol). I think 50 is more than a fair number. It's more than enough horses to support a breeding program.

T2 -Pick any herd helper in game
2 tokens ($10) - this might be a better option than the one above. Specially with some of those HH's having really expensive genes.

T4 -Create a background tack pack: YOU create up to 10, 500 by 500 px images. They must all be approved before I will accept payment. We will add the game logo and add it to the game as an option for any player to purchase, and you will get it automatically unlocked.
4 tokens ($20) - I also like the potential this has to hire other players to make backgrounds.

Edited: Thanks for the feed back!

I tried to do this but my lack of understanding isn't helping. I have more questions than answers. I have to sit back and let more experienced people make the decisions

I think $20 for a lower tier item and $75 to $100 for the highest tier items would be appropriate.

Sorry, but I have to work with each person individually and that takes a lot of time, and time is very expensive. It only makes sense for me do a minimum of 50 or it simply is not cost-effective for me to sell my time like that. I would lose money. I don't want anyone to feel pressured to buy anything they can't afford though. There will be automated sales that don't require my one on one time that will be more affordable.

I don't believe Humbolt was suggesting a minimum purchase of 20 instead of 50.

I just want to preface this by saying I'm not sure I'll be able to afford anything in the next couple of months, but if I happen to have recreational money to spend on the game, these are amounts I can picture spending on things I would be interested in.

Clone a deceased horse: $20. (I'd love to "resurrect" my Morel. :) )

Purchase mass creates (50) of a RS herd helper: $20

Purchase mass creates (50) of a special event RS herd helper: $30

I wouldn't be interested in mass creates of any lower ranked herd helpers, unless they could be guaranteed to be perfect foundation. Then I'd pay $20 to $25.

Comp test a barn, if we only get to know for sure the one best and one worst horse in the barn, $5. If we get to see the full hierarchy, $20 to $40, depending on the barn's size.

Pull straws/eggs from a deceased horse: $10 for 100 straws or 20 eggs

I'm not really interested in expanding/combining/splitting pastures or barns. I'd just as soon turn them in for IVs. Though, I might be interested in a discounted barn price to be allowed to purchase it for IVs? Like, $40, and I can buy another 1,000-stall barn for the base price of IVs, whatever it cost before I racked up a stall penalty.

This is just what I can picture considering spending at the moment, not what I'm assuming would be worth your time. If I happened to fall backwards into money by next month, I might do $10-20 dollars more.

ETA: I also do really appreciate the idea of a custom HH, and I can see it being worth at least $50, maybe more, particularly for the gratification of seeing it used and loved by other players. But I just can't see spending that kind of money at the moment.

I'm definitely interested in the sale, I'm just very bad at pricing things because it's hard to value the work you do for us :)

I like a lot of the ideas that have been started above, and i cast my vote with CheshireFarms, i think a lot of the prices mentioned are good. I'd like to hear some of the other ideas from the other servers!

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Here is my second round with some preliminary pricing that I think is fair based on my time and what members have suggested. I have also added and removed some items and changed the values on some. I will do my best to answer the questions I have been seeing. The pricing and options are still subject to change and feedback on both are still wholeheartedly invited.

Prices are listed in tokens with each token = 5USD

Misc Small Items
1 token - Set the era of any unbred horse you own to an earlier era. This is not a boost and does not impact breeding ability. Great for eras with no foundations anymore, and can be added to the below cloning options. For example an era 12 could become an era 3 but not an era 13.

1 token -Change the name or breed characteristic of a horse you used to own but is now deceased. Can't have foals owned by other players unless you were the last owner.

1 token -Change the height or bone weight of any lined unbred horse you own to any creatable height/bone weight. Can be bred already if you own all the foals.

1 token - Add up to 50 words to the random name generator. Gemstones, pokemon, Tolkien elves, give me a comma-separated list and I will add them in.

1 token -Breeding ability consult for 1 barn/pasture: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding horse (or horses in the case of a tie) in that barn/pasture by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per barn/pasture.

1 token -Breeding ability consult for 1 horse: I tell you with 100% accuracy, which is your best and worst breeding offspring of a horse by looking at the hidden numbers. With extra attention paid to who is intact or not. The cost is per sire/dam.

1 token -Delete every straw/egg owned by you from a single horse on a single account.

Fun with Foundations
2 tokens-Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. You provide the 7 5% boost tokens, expros only need 6 5% boosts
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25 tokens -Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. I provide the 7 5% boost tokens, no discount for expros as this is already a 155 dollar discount on tokens

2 tokens -Have 10,000 show points assigned to 1 horse of your choice. If added to a foal the lifetime payout will be between 500k and 1 million.


Cloneing
2 tokens - Clone an otherwise impossible-to-clone horse. I will quote you what the price will cost in IVs for the clone. You pay the IV cost plus 2 tokens. Gene licenses are not included.
-Clone any foundation horse in the game regardless of living/dead, owner, or breeder.
-Clone any living lined horse with breeder and owner permission*
-Clone any deceased lined horse with breeder permission*
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20 tokens - Get any of the “impossible clones” above but pay only the 20 tokens, no IV charge.

3 tokens -Clone any lined horse (including deceased and regardless of breeder) and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. I will quote you what the price will cost in IVs for the clone. You pay the IV cost plus 3 tokens. Gene licenses are not included.
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21 tokens - Clone any lined horse (including deceased and regardless of breeder) and have it be created as a perfect ability foundation horse. You do not pay any IV costs. This option is for horses that would be prohibitively expensive to clone. Gene licenses are not included.

Seed Stock
2 tokens - 100 straws, or 25 eggs from any deceased horse with the last owner’s permission*
2 tokens - 25 eggs from any of-age mare you own

Either of the above can be purchased multiple times with a limit of 500 pulled per horse in game.


Barn & Pasture Edits
1 token + difference -Convert any pasture into a larger version, just pay 1 token plus the price difference, rounded to the nearest $5.
1 token + difference -Convert any barn into a larger version, just pay pay 1 token plus the price difference, rounded to the nearest $5.

2 tokens - Merge 5 empty 210 barns into a 1000 stall barn
3 tokens - Merge 5 not empty 210 barns into a 1000 stall barn

Most barn and pasture merging or splitting will be decided on a case-by-case basis. The numbers are too complex to make a full list. The general rule will be, that you have to be reasonably close in stall count to the target. 2 tokens for dealing with empties. 3 tokens if I have to shuffle your horses around. You can name what you think is reasonable for me to sign off on before purchasing.

3 tokens per 50 stalls - Create a custom-sized barn in any interval of 50 you want 1k is the hard max.

Herd Helpers

1 token -Convert any unbred exceptional rank special horse into a normal perfect create. Removes the era penalty.

3 tokens - Pick any herd helper to be assigned to your account. Cost is the same regardless of rank (only the count changes). These will not have the option to share the herd helper. Can purchase multiple times if you want more than the listed number of creates This will last 5 days so that you don’t have to create everything in one sitting. This is 1 herd helper with a long window not 5 days of herd helpers.
-Any rank 5 and below - 250 creates
-Any normal Rank Special 50 creates
-Any "special event only Rank Specials" 10 creates This includes genes like S+, p+, satin, etc

10 tokens - Design your dream Herd Helper. Can be a modification of a prior one or an all-new concept.
- Price is the same regardless of rank.
-I will decide what rank and if the hh is in normal rotation based on how fancy(how many GMTs) the hh is.
-You provide the name and description text for rank specials. Subject to approval.
-Only genes already possible on Herd Helpers can be picked from.
-You can use up to 20 GMTs worth of rare genes in your herd helper. Prices are based on the GMT lab normal price. Genes that only cost 1 GMT do not count against your 20. (I might have some flex on this. Talk to me before buying.)
-Adding exceptional status costs 5 GMT
-Once created your herd helper will be a permanent addition to all servers.
-You will receive the “Pick any herd helper” deal above for free with your new herd helper on one account.


Tack Pack Creation
10 tokens -Create a background tack pack: YOU create up to 10, 500 by 500 px images. They must all be approved before I will accept payment. We will add the game logo and add it to the game as an option for any player to purchase, and you will get it automatically unlocked.
-5 tokens for every 10 images added after the first 10.

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*Permission is deemed granted automatically if the breeder/owner (for cloning) or prior owner (for seed stock) if the player has been inactive for 6 months or more. If the player is still active, permission must be obtained before I am contacted for this service. I will be quick to turn down any cloning requests if I feel it will cause drama.


Everything listed above has the caveat of “within reasonable limits.” I reserve the right to reject anything if I think it is going to cause problems/drama in the game. Everything will be finalized on a case-by-case basis because I can not possibly address every edge case in this post.

Nope. Though you will have to name it and help make a description for it so keep that in mind.

It will have no impact on the leaderboards because of the 7-era penalty. Any era that you could get a cap quality foundation on will already be at cap quality and beyond.

Oooh, I wasn't sure about some of the big things, but am definitely interested in bundling some small things.

For the Herd Helper creation, will it be added to all servers?

Can we bundle small purchases across multiple servers? E.g. Design a dream herd helper and get the creates on Forest, Set horses to an earlier era on Bluegrass, take straws from a deceased horse on Mesa? I understand if that is not feasible - just inquiring for possible planning purposes.

The pasture size increase would be amazing, it seems small but I'm always annoyed now at what to do with my little 10 horse size :-))

Oooooo I'm so excited. I even made a new herd last night in preparation :))

I had a quick question:
2 tokens-Make any unbred foundation horse breeding cap quality (with a 7-era penalty). You may then double-boost that horse on your own if you so choose. You provide the 7 5% boost tokens, expros only need 6 5% boosts

I have an A papered, foundation stud. I have already boosted him once, but he is unbred. Would this be able to apply to him minus 1 boost? Just wanna make sure i didn't jump the gun last night by boosting him early.


I would love to see this sale a couple months! I could definitely use for a revamp of how I'm running my stables and what i breed for, and could definitely use a lot of these ideas. It'll be fun to see what people do with the new features :)

Will there be a limit to how many horses we can have points added onto?