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Pasture stallions.
  • Do pasture stallions receive the same breeding bonus as the mares?
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • No, only mares get a bonus. But the stallion's offspring out of that mare still benefits.
    Post edited by Cavalynn at 2024-02-17 12:42:06
  • OK, then I have another problem. My pasture foals didn't have the quality that I was expecting from mares that had received the full 30 day breeding bonus. Out of 100, I only had one stallion foal that tested superior to an Ex Pro and 3 mare foals that tested superior to an Ex Pro. All foals were from E16 sires and dams. Since I only keep superiors intact, you can guess my predicament.

    What am I missing? I've never come across this problem before and I don't know what to do.
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • Link to the pasture? Are you using all perfect foundation horses or some regular creates? I'm assuming the foals are 2Gs?

    I'm sure lots of them, maybe all but one or two of them, would test superior to their parents. If they paper B/Red, they're superior to their parents. If they're as good as expro, they're also certainly superior to their parents. Even a worse than expro, if it's B/Red, is still superior to perfect foundation. Comp testing to expro instead of parent is just a way to really raise the bar for 2Gs from non-exceptional parents. 4/100 sounds about right for superior to expro 2Gs. It's pretty rare, but maxing will guarantee it if the parents are perfect foundations. As good as expro for mares is perfectly acceptable by my standards. That's always superior to parent from perfect foundations. I just make sure to cull any worse than expro 2G mares if I test them and use superior to expro as the standard for colts. If you want, you can take those sup expro 2G mares and egg flush them and use all of the aga expro 2G mares in pasture. Then you can breed even more 3Gs from the best 2Gs you have and maybe max one or two to use as a standard for that gen.
  • Let me see if I can get a link for you. I'm still trying to figure out how that works.
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • If you're on mobile you can go to the 3 dots at the top and press "copy link"
  • https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&gelding=0&spayedmare=0&lined=0&owner=86081&pasture=45455&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0

    I've just never had this much trouble getting foals that are superior to an Ex Pro. I usually get 75% or better of all foals that remained intact after all testing.

    In this group, there are regular creates, RS and perfect foundations. There might even be some top notch pro's in there as well
    Post edited by CravenHillEstate at 2024-02-17 15:38:42
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • I only breed red/b foundations and find that i usually get 6 ish blue / a foals from a pasture of 100 with full mare bonus. Ammit recently did an update to the SBA/ BA process but I am not sure if it was going to affect Foundations or just ** breedings.
    Post edited by annismyrph at 2024-02-17 16:05:51
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  • I knew she was going to do that I just didn't realize it would have that much of an affect on me since I was already only keeping the best possible foals intact. Do I need to change the way go about culling to include Ex Pro equivalent? I guess I didn't really understand that adjustment as well as I thought I did. :))
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • Do you have a link to the explanation of the new SBA/BA?

    Or do you mean the comment in the change log which I don't understand.
    Post edited by OopsDotCom at 2024-02-17 16:41:42
  • No I don't have a link. I tried to just go back through the change logs, but I couldn't find it. Maybe I didn't go back far enough.
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • @OopsDotCom ; it was some time ago so no I dont have the link

    @CravenHillEstate , yeah it nerfed the "success" rates kinda hard
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  • I don't mind it getting dialed down a bit. I just want to make sure that's what happened before I cull 95% of my foals. :))
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
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  • There is incorrect information being given out about the intact rate above and I want to be VERY clear that is not correct. I did not suddenly nerf the quality of foals from foundation to foundation breeding.
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  • "I only had one stallion foal that tested superior to an Ex Pro and 3 mare foals that tested superior to an Ex Pro."

    CravenHillEstate - This is a very, very strict culling bar. You are not just asking for them to be better than an expro, you are asking them to be several points better than an expro. You are asking for the absolute best possible foals that could be born, basically maxed-out quality. If tests superior to an expro is your benchmark you should expect very few foals to make that. I fully applaud culling that hard but just know that is a devilishly high bar.

    It does look like you got some bad luck and got a slightly lower-than-normal percentage of foals at that level, but that is just bad luck not any change made to breeding or testing.

    "I usually get 75% or better of all foals that remained intact after all testing."

    I think you are misremembering. While it is true that in the past you would have gotten more foal intact from SBA (and this very low breeding level) it has never been true that you have gotten 75% of foals testing superior to expros. The game has simply never in its history been that generous with inherited ability. 5 to 10% of foals are a maximum. The quality of foals has not changed but SBA has gotten more balanced with how it judges foals. It sounds like what really changed though is your culling standards.

    SBA has been changed so it is more evened out. You will now get about 25% to 35% intact foals (depending on breeding method and pasture bonus) for all quality levels of foals. You will no longer get foal groups with 100% pass rates and 0% pass rates.
    Post edited by Ammit at 2024-02-17 20:49:54
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  • https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&agee=5&gelding=0&spayedmare=0&foundation=0&owner=86081&breeder=86081&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0&offset=0

    This is what I was getting 5 breeding seasons ago. Like I said, I don't mind that it's evened out. I just wanted to know if what I got this season from pasture foals is, more or less, the standard now. :)
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • So of the horses you linked, this is the result of many pastures not a single one. (or not pastures at all) You can tell just by looking at the very large number of sires in this group. Many of the sires of this group are exceptionals, not normal creates. At least one is a **star. Of the studs represented here most have between 1 and 5 intact foals. I can also tell by looking at the numbers you were not holding these foals to nearly as high a standard as you did this season.

    Here is one of the sires from the above group. He is actually a normal create so a good comparison point.

    https://www.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&f_basic=horsegender&aged=1&sire=18444530

    He produced 19 foals, of which 1 is an intact stud and 2 are intact mares. The stallion son would test worse than an expro.

    Your way of breeding has changed drastically from five seasons ago. You can't expect the foals of normal creates to pass the same absolute quality bar as the foals of exceptional creates.
    Post edited by Ammit at 2024-02-18 06:28:02
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  • It definitely has changed. I wanted to have a line of just E16 horses. I can't remember if any of those were pasture bred foals. I want to say that some were, but I just can't be certain. I've always kept a few lower B/Red papered foals intact. It started by keeping anything intact from a favorite mare. When I saw that they could be good producers too, I started keeping more. I still focused on the ones that tested superior to an Exceptional. The ** guy is in there only because I had no way of filtering him out.

    I guess what I needed was help understanding that there is, indeed, that much of a difference between mixed era breeding and same era breeding. While I always knew that there would be a difference, I never knew how much it would be.
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • There's no difference between mixed-era breeding and same-era breeding, as long as the pairs are of the same breeding ability. Era doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the horses themselves, except for newest era horses not being exceptional.
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  • That's just it though. I was breeding Exceptionals to regular creates. That was the point of me mentioning the mix. :)
    Craven Hill - 86081
    Galway Stallions - 80319
  • There is a very big difference in the quality of foals you will get between breeding exceptionals to regular creates and just breeding regularly creates to regular creates.

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  • I bred 700 BlueRoan Appie Foundation foals this "year" they were all (99%) B/Red XP parents.
    Of that I got 38 SUP blue papered fillies and 27 Sup A papered Stud colts. So Aprox 10% were SUP to parent.
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  • For reference, CravenHillEstate culled that above pasture at a much harder rate than just superior to parents. So the numbers make sense

    annismyrph was that all pasture with full 30 day bonus?
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  • @Ammit yes it was ; my mares go to pasture usually at 3 and stay there til they age out
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