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- Abbey98 April 2024
- Ambervalleyarabians April 2024
- Ammit April 2024
- annismyrph April 2024
- Cavalynn April 2024
- Hrelvesuu April 2024
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Limits on Max Out For Primary and newer eras starting May 1st
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First thank you to everyone who gave feedback on the last thread. Particular thank you to those who read the entire thing and gave feedback on limiting newer eras only, and those who gave detailed insightful feedback with considerations to how changes would impact both their stable and the game as a whole.
Here is the need to know about the issue. The newer eras are designed to be a level playing field for stables winning a few leaderboard awards a month to compete with barns winning hundreds of awards a month. There was some confusion of people thinking the new eras are for brand new players and that really is not the case. You need a decent show barn to compete on any leaderboard but the newer eras are the most level playing field because they are pretty much pure strategy to top them.
Maxing Out foals is effectively a requirement to keep up in those new-era races. That is fine as long as everyone has a fair chance at that. The problem is not everyone does have a fair chance at it. Barns with lots of GMT wins each season get maxing for free and some can max enough foals to be hyper-competitive on every single newer era board. I want to give space on those new eras for more mid-size players to have a shot, and force people competing in the new eras to focus on a single era. Once an era has reached cap quality maxing really loses its punch and has basically no impact on the leaderboard.
The solution I found that allows later eras to max freely (where it is used mostly for fun, not for competition) while still protecting the competitiveness of new eras is just to limit maxing for primary and newer eras.
Each stable will be allowed to max out 4 horses a season in the impacted eras. No other restrictions or changes are being implemented.
You only need 1 max-out token a season for the most efficient strategies to stay at the top of an era so I reserve the right to tighten that down if needed in the future.
What eras are impacted?
Bluegrass
Era 12-16
Forest
Era 10-14
Mesa
Era 2 -6
Starting June 1st
Bluegrass
Era 14-17
Forest
Era 12-15
Mesa
Era 4 -7
What about boosting?
I did some investigation yesterday and found there was very little correlation between boosting and GMT wins. The number one indication of how many GMTs an account will win a season is how large it is. The accounts winning the most GMTs are winning them from the points categories, and being smart about how they enter clubs and how they show. Even if I limited boosts almost no one on any server does more than 2 or 3 5% boosts a season. It's already self-limited and is not the key factor here. Smart playing and laws of large numbers are the deciders here and I think that is completely fair. Accounts that are very large win because they are very large. They boost because they can afford to because they are very large. Both are a result of being large but boosting is not a prerequisite to making lots of GMTs.
Why not switch to IVs?
Switching to IVs would help limit maxing but it does not address the core issue as elegantly as just limiting maxing for newer eras. While it would be better than nothing, many members gave elegant arguments about why limiting was superior to IVs.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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Thank you Ammit , for listening and responding to the player base regarding the changes! So many games do not actually do that before they implement a large scale change to theplaying strategy. Its always Awesome to know that you do and will !Thanked by 1Ammit
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Thank you Ammit !Bluegrass id:182429
Forest id: 289
Mesa id: 351 home of the Katbianloosa, Katlineers Cob, Katlusian, Katalouse, KatriesianRID and Katroughbred -
Honest question... is this ment to avoid the boosted foundation to be cloned and boosted again like what alot of people did a few years back?
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It's a change to maxing (where it makes a horse the best possible quality any offspring from its parents could be), rather than boosting (where you add a specific percentage to the horse's breeding ability).ID 252818 | Breeding for TE livers, with satin hopefully
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Abbey98 - I wrote a whole section about why I am not changing boosting. :) Boosting has no use in newer eras because of the era penalty that happens when you boost.Post edited by Ammit at 2024-04-23 10:03:10Need to contact me? Read this first.
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I like this much better than the original idea to change it to IVs! I’m glad I stopped by the forum because I’ve been panic boosting all my young stock to get ready for a change that isn’t going to happen now :))
I like this change a lot because I’ve noticed how necessary maxing has become to be competitive. One of my favorite things about this game has been the ability to be competitive without special tokens.
I do love maxing, but the shine tends to leave when it becomes necessary. My original, established line has reached cap so I’ve been trying to establish in a newer era, and it’s been much harder than it was in the past. -
I just had a thought... Is it possible fantasy horses could be exempt from this since they're barred from era clubs anyway? Or, maybe not because technically some could be GMTed to be not fantasy after being maxed...
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What if there was a "competitive" status that was required for horses to be eligible for era leader boards. Foundations would be born with this status and pass it on to their offspring. A horse with this status cannot have the max out option used on it. A person can deactivate a horse from "competitive" mode at any time if they wish to use max out or potentially other (future?) features that would disqualify them from the leader boards. Once deactivated, a horse cannot be set back to "competitive" status to maintain the integrity of the leader boards. This would allow players that want unrestricted usage of the max out feature to continue doing their thing, but it should also make it relatively simple to keep the competitive integrity of the leader boards.
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We already have a solution I think works well. I am not looking to stop maxing out being used on the leaderboard. It would just mean only stables with massive pastures would be able to win instead.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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I dont mind this change and feel that it will allow other players to compete for the higher prizes on the leaderboards. it took me a long time to get there, but i did. it will be nice to not see a person dominating the boards, including me.
the only thing im going to miss is all of the foals that get snipped that i would have liked to have kept. will there be a solution for this? i dont care if they are sent to the max, just enough to pass sba or ba. thats what i usually used the max for -
Sorry VVP that is too hypothetical of a question. Most foals in the game are not subject to this so a solution is already in place. A quick search of your account shows you only have a single maxed horse and they are era 4. I don't see how this change would impact you?
This has been implemented. It is a day early because that what works out for my schedule but if you need to max more than 4 horses today for some reason just let me know.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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oops wrong acct
i meant to post under this acct. i am meaning if there is a foal that tests as red, i would like up up their stats to be a blue if that foal has that possibility and is able to pass sba. keep the pt the same so it doesnt ruin the cap.
here is an example
AVR Show Pony 19049052
this foal didnt pass sba. i would like to keep him as a stallion. is there a way to do a small boost to up their stats to let them pass sba, without updating the pt.
pt is not tied to breeding ability but that is what the boards focus on. except for a few horses, i would rather focus on papers and not the pt.
i know there isnt a mechanism right now, but maybe food for thought? there are not many horses, maybe 30 percent (in my experience) that actually pass sba. most of the ones that dont pass are ones i would have loved to keep.
i hope that makes more sense?
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Frankly, you are winning hundreds of GMTs a month and have dozens of horses on basically all the limited-era boards. That makes it pretty hard for smaller accounts to get any traction there, particularly when all your maxing is free because of your winnings. The system is working as intended if it keeps you from maxing out so many horses in the newer eras.
You can boost the horses to move them out of the newer eras. That solves both problems. It improves that horse, but also moves you out of the limited areas so you can max all you want and others get a shot at those era LBs.
I did notice the horse you listed is a fantasy-flagged horse. I have generally no issue making the maxing limits not apply to fantasy horses but because of the ability to refund GMTs that's pretty tricky to do without creating a frustrating and hard-to-manage loophole.
ALSO the horse you posted is era 7 and not one of the limited eras. You can max that horse all you want. ;)Post edited by Ammit at 2024-04-30 12:50:34Need to contact me? Read this first.
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If you open the Max out link it tells you the impacted eras.Limited Eras
Ability Maxing in the following eras is strictly limited to improve leaderboard competition. You may max out the ability of up to 4 horses per season between all of these limited eras combined. These eras are listed below. There is no restrictions on older era horses.
Era 12
Era 13
Era 14
Era 15
Era 16
Keep in mind starting June first you will have no limits on maxing Era 12 and Era 13 as well.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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ok, i read that wrong. i thought it was all of them, thanks for the clarification