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Heads up on large number of image generator changes coming in the next 6 months.
  • I have started the process of rebuilding our image generator to work with all four legs instead of two legs. I have to go through the code gene by gene for this update which means it's also the perfect time to work on a huge number of updates that have been long overdue. These changes are currently limited to how genes are visually expressed in the game.

    I am going to be making a very large number of changes and I want everyone to be emotionally prepared for that.

    Notably, markings are probably going to change because if I edit a gene it changes how the seed renders.

    This is what my current list is looking like:
    -Wild bay getting updated for more realism
    -Cream needs an overhaul, the hues are just not right
    -Satin will be redone to look more realistic (more shiny less iridescent)
    -A huge number of genes need to be made fully dynamic including dun, several white spotting genes, etc. The expression on these might change quite a bit.

    That's the major edits I have planned so far. The actual number of genes I need to work on is basic "all of them"

    I do not know yet if edits will come out all at once or in pieces. There are pros and cons of both systems, and for technical reasons, it might all have to come out at one time later in the year. I will do my best to update this post wit examples of progress so the changes won't be a total surprise.

    I have already finished updates to bay/brown. I am now working on a significant overhaul of wild bay. I think it is going to piss off some wild bay breeders but right now it 1) really does not look realistic and 2) is one of the least popular genes in the game so the changes are 100% coming.

    I will do my best to answer questions but I may not be able to answer all of them.
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  • Will you be taking the Servers down to implement them or running them in the back ground ?
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  • The game will not shut down for updates.
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  • Very curious as to how wild Bay will look!
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • Oh I'm super excited for this! I can't wait for the cream and dun overhaul <3 If you need help with any markings or colors I volunteer as tribute lol
  • We are getting rid of all our hand-drawn assets not adding to them but thank you for offering :)
    Post edited by Ammit at 2024-07-08 08:46:40
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  • SO excited! I breed a ton of Dun and have been liking wild bay lately, so it'll be so fun to see what the changes look like
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  • I'm so excited for these changes! Looking forward to seeing what satin looks like, and cream! I am someone who avoids wild bay in-game but likes it in real life, so I'm looking forward to those changes too.
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  • I’m so excited to see these changes! :)
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  • If not hand drawn, what would you be using? Sorry, trying to visualize that in my mind.
  • Buckets upon buckets of math. There is a reason why most games just used pre-drawn instead of dynamic assets lol. We make images in a similar way to games like Minecraft make biomes.
    Post edited by Ammit at 2024-07-09 22:47:01
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  • Thank you for all the work you put in to it, Ammit. I get a lot of enjoyment out of the randomness of the markings on my horses, and can't wait to see how the new updates will show up in my herds.
    Post edited by bluchrystals at 2024-07-09 22:46:16
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  • Just an update I found that fixing wild bay is going to require completely rebuilding how agouti works all the way from the palest bays to the darkest browns. The actual moving parts are going to stay the same but how the game decides what "level" of bay to assign a horse is going to change. I will try to minimize appearance changes in regular bays and browns but there may be some shifting that happens to them. I'll post examples when I can.
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  • Thank you for this amazing game Ammit! So excited for the wild bay update. I love bays and their vast shade variation <3 and low points are so interesting genetically
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  • am interested in how it will affect my Liver Line. ^_^ Thank you Ammit for how much work you put into this game to make it realistic.
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  • I am not expecting liver to be impacted.
    Post edited by Ammit at 2024-07-11 22:38:22
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  • I am sorry, but I dont understand "next expecting liver to be impacted" did you mean NOT expecting?
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  • Oh I am so excited for this! I love the dynamic genes we already have so getting more of them will be awesome!

    I already breed a lot of dun. Dun being more dynamic will likely make me love it even more!
  • A reminder that I am still working on these in the background. We are going to have a very large single update to get things working for the 4 legs update, then we will roll out updates to make genes fully dynamic one by one.

    Expect to start seeing update posts about these soon.
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  • Here is an example post of the agouti promoter changes I am working on.

    The stallion is the after and the mare is the before.
    https://imgur.com/a/RDmiqEG


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  • Oh, I love how dark mahogany that last one comes out.
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  • We have done our first pass a satin update. I am not prepared at this time to post tons of examples for you but we would love to know if you think we are on the right track. (Ignore the missing leg markings please)

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    On Cream

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    On Black

    Are we in the right ballpark?
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  • Oh very nice!
    I am Fiddler, my pronouns are she/her
    and my game number is 276934

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  • Ooooh! Nice!
  • Wow, looks great! Are you having to do this custom for each BC? The highlights are spot on. :)
  • That looks amazing! I would definitely breed for that look.
    Might be addicted to pixel ponies...
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  • So based on feedback from all 3 servers and Discord we made a few tweaks today. The same feel just cleaned up the shine some. Not posting on lots of bases yet, just giving an idea for how it looks on different BCs.

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    I want to make a point of sharing how it looks on a national horse. Our national BCs are pretty flat so the shine on them reads a bit off. The nationals along with several of our original BCs are still in the works to get an update on the highlighting and shading. I am sharing this so you know what the plan is. I don't know if the satin update or the shading update for the nationals will be out first

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  • Speaking as someone who breed a lot of satin, it looks great!
    Post edited by LakeOndowaFarm at 2024-10-21 06:35:51
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  • i love the satin on the cream with the akhal bc, much more realistic!
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  • I dont breed much satin, but am confused why it all looks like white highlights now ?
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  • I like how it looks much "shinier" and more I think like satin IRL looks on groomed show horses... before I couldnt really tell the difference (my vision is not great even with glasses so that is NOT some sort of judgement, just a statement that with my poor vision I couldn't see a difference and now I can)
  • Oooooooooooo!
  • I really like the look of the improved satin. It looks so much more realistic
  • Today Jenx was able to finish the Friesian BC glow-up. The Friesian was out very first attempt at a BC and we were still learning what worked well for it. Now that we have more experience it is time to improve on those early efforts. The before is the current Friesian art in the game and the after is the update we are looking to implement.

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    Love the high gloss look? Here is the new proposed art with the new satin.

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  • OH WOW!! They look so much more real with the update.. thats amazing.. can't wait to see it on lighter colored horses!
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  • Seing the side by side example let's my brain process it better. Jenx did an awesome job.
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  • The Friesian update looks great!
    Breeding high quality Sheldasen horses in all the fancy colors.
    81995
  • It's an amazing update, definitely more realistic and highlights the muscling very nicely!
  • I love the Friesian update! As newer art came out, I stopped using those first BCs. I’m excited about them getting updated!
  • We have things a bit more nailed down now. So I can give a general update. In the next week or so we will roll out a very large update that will allow horses to generate all 4 of their legs independently from one another. The generator now really only creates two legs. After the update each leg will have have it's own generation and sampling.

    Major things this update will include in addition to those 4 legs:
    -Wild bay complete and total overhaul
    -Switch over to new satin art
    -Tweaks to cream generation.
    -Nexus and Axium will no longer cancel each other out.
    -The lowest level expression of roan will have more white hairs than before.
    -Some pinto horses had overly blue eyes, this will be made more realistic.

    It will also include the hundreds of small changes needed to make all the different four-leg generation work. Most of those you won't really see changes on. For example, Dun is still exactly the same; it just has a bit more leg going on.


    Once this changeover occurs every horse will old generation will have broken far side leg markings on even simple things like bay. So we will be adding logic in the game that says if your horse is flagged to refresh its image and that image is older then the launch date of the 4 leg update, do a full regeneration of the image instead. This will mean the shape of your markings will change. There is no real way around that so if you have any horses with extra special markings be sure and safe those images asap.


    After this update goes out I fully expect there to be a fair number of special cases that need adjustment. I will do my best to test things thoroughly but there is no way I can catch every possible combination. After this large update expect a bunch of smaller ones to come out in short succession.
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  • Thank you for doing all the work to make this game fun and continually interesting, Ammit
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  • I love image generation updates!
  • Oooh, I am so excited for these updates! Thank you!
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  • So excited!! Thanks for all the hard work :)
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  • Wanted to share how the Fresian foal is going to look after the update.

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  • Ohh SO much better!
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  • Yay! No more inflatables. :)
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  • LOL @Cavalynn, they did look somewhat like "balloon Animals" for a Parade.
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  • It's going to be beautiful, thank you!
  • Ooh, very nice! I might have to buy the Freisian BC after the update. :-bd
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  • This has very much been an "If you give a mouse a cookie" update

    In order to fix agouti promoter, I had to rework how bay/brown calculated and because I had to rework bay/brown I had to redo how sooty expressed, and because I had to redo how sooty expressed... You get the picture.

    It's been a struggle to keep the changes has similar to the old art as possible while still fixing the issues that need fixing. Here are some progress photos


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