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Try leaving the mares in the pasture for a month and try again. Also provide links to the babies and we can help

Does there have to be a stallion in the pasture for a month with the mare for her to benefit?

Follow up questions - I just purchased a Star papered stud and put him up for breeding. Someone bred to him 10x and ALL 10 babies were either spay/gelded and it shows his Average foal point is 0?? But all his testing shows he is good to breed and is ranked as good as his dad... Most of the mares they bred to were Red papered so not horrible - is that weird? I don't think I've ever had a 0 foal score?

Please link to any horses you have questions about so we can help you. :)

Ok so I did some trial and error myself, I could totally be wrong - but I believe the poor bred babies are coming from the Gold mare and Star studs I just bought :(( Here are the 2 studs plus 1 mare in question

https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=19702656
This one has 2 babies, one with a red mare one with a Gold - both came out A papered but game advice gelded them. The one mare has produced 9 babies with 5 of them being B or Red scored from B-C studs.

https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=19755501
This is the one someone else bred to with red and I think some yellow mares - I bred my papered Red mare (https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=19940036) who has made multiple B and Red foals with other B-C studs. But when crossed with this stud and the first stud above via embryos, both foals were papered A but game advice gelded them.

Then my gold mare I purchased and pull embryos
https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=19727126
I bred her to 5 of my papered studs ranging from B-C and all foals were geld/spay per game advice. 4 of the foals were mare and all blue rated (I've never produced a blue mare thus far with these studs even with yellow mares) except 1 was red but still spayed. The 5th foal was a colt who was papered A but geld per game advice..

My only assumption is its coming from the new purchases :( How could that be I feel scammed like I should've known if they were selling them they're no good? I thought I had it all figured out but now I'm kinda bummed and confused! Of course I'm still learning this game though :)

I've also purchased another gold mare and bred her(https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=18901390) to a C stud and got a nice papered A colt and it was her first baby.

Also bought this baby to use in future as breeding but now I'm doubting her as well https://www.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=19890593

Thank you in advance! :)

I'm using strict breeding advice.
But how are my assumptions incorrect? If that Red mare has made Red or B Foals with lower B-C studs that game deems breedable - why wouldn't she make them with a Star Stud?

The first stud I bred him to the Gold mare and the foal was A but gelded per game advice. The second stud I bred to the Gold mare and it was a Gold filly that was spayed per game advice - I don't understand that? If they are ranked so high why spay/geld?

The reason I bred the gold mare to my lower level studs was cause they still make pretty good babies even being lower level studs, plus a couple of them are in the running for top producing in their groups so I wanted to keep breeding them. Also I try to breed for color but I've had a couple Red and A come out of my studs which I felt like is pretty good for them? But even though they are lower level they still have made better babies than those Star studs have which is what I don't get?

I guess my point was is I have crossed my red mares with A-C studs and have gotten better babies and per strict game advice were breedable whereas when I've bred these star and gold ones not a single one of them have been deemed breedable even if they have good rated papers.

Also I apologize, I realized Blue is higher ranked than Red - my mistake, but those fillies were still spayed per game advice.

OK here is how i kinda figured it out.. If you bred a High level mare to a low level stud.. the boys will probably test better than the Sire. and vice versa, But.. per strict Breeding advice there is a certain "number" that belongs to the mare and the stud.. for the foal to pass it must land between those numbers. The numbers are generated in the background. This article while several years old may help you : https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/43811/pt-scores-showing-vs-breeding-a-bit-old-but-good-info#Item_7

The way I think of it is within the gold/blue/red etc ratings, there are ratings. So if you breed a star stud to a blue mare there is a chance you may still get a gold filly, but that filly will be on the low end of the gold rating. So within the gold standards themselves she may not be good enough breeding quality. Like in real life if you take a very average mare and breed it to an amazing stallion you may be improving on the mare but most likely you are still not getting an overly high quality horse.

I see, I just assumed strict breeding advice was the way to go but I totally understand what you mean by wanting to use regular advice.

Also Victory5627 that actually puts it in a much better perspective for my brain, thank you.

Thank you all, I appreciate the help while I learn!

He's not the problem. That's not how the game works. There is nothing in the code that makes a horse unlucky. He is a two-star stud. He is a good breeder period.

It only shows you having a single foal from him. If you are destroying all his foals it's hard to give any advice.

It’s hard to explain in words how breeding advice works. I’m pretty sure there was a graphic at one point that explained it really well but I can’t find it.

I can promise you that stallion is not the issue. If you want to more or less guarantee that goals will pass BA, you have to leave mares in a pasture for 30+ days AND create and implant the embryo into those pasture mares (embryos provide the equivalent of 15 day pasture bonus that stacks with the surrogate mares’ 30+ day pasture bonus)

Another thing — if you didn’t breed the horses, you have no way of knowing if it was BA that spayed/neutered the horses or if the breeder/owner did it manually. On that stallion, it looks like a lot of the horses bred by others are futurity foals. I don’t know if others do this, but I just go ahead and spay/neuter most futurity foals as it helps with showing and therefore futurity performance.

Redfoxtail Farm - Are you saying implanting the embryo into a mare that hasn't been in the pasture for 30 days makes a difference on the outcome of the foal? Or are you saying when I pull embryos they have to of been in pasture for 30+ days?
Either way, all of my mares I am breeding have been in pasture for 30+ days, including this one. Although for recips I don't have all of them in the pasture, it was to my knowledge the recips don't make any difference on the foals outcome but I guess I can try that.. I've just done trial and error with other lower studs with these mares and get great outcomes, except with this guy lol

Also very true I don't know if the other foals passed BA or if they were just gelded/spayed for futurity, I didn't think of that and futurity is very new to me so I didn't even know that geld/spay played a part in the performance.

OK, the foals get a bonus when the Surrogate or "natural" mother have been in pasture for 30 days.. when you AI breed the foal gets an additional 15day breeding bonus.. which might be why that foal passed if you implanted the embryo onto a mare who was in pasture for 30 days.

In order to support your breeding herd you need at least 2 if not 3 show horses for Every Breeding horse, other wise you wont be able to support yourself in the long run.

IMO you should be starting with Foundation stock and breeding up to lined generational stock.. what you are doing is somewhat "bootstrapping" which does give you a good base for a show herd but not for breeding.

When I breed my foundation pastures.. I use Exceptional starter stock ( red/b papered horses) . In a foundation pasture, if I breed 100 XP horses, generaly I get about a 75% SBA pass rate. when I get to my 8th generation pastures, its closer to a 15% pass rate, becuase with horses that highly papered its much harder for the foal to be better than the parent ( the margin is smaller )

A few years Back ConfluenceStable re wrote a really good guide, that may help you understand this a bit more :

https://www.huntandjump.com/forum/discussion/43811/pt-scores-showing-vs-breeding-a-bit-old-but-good-info#Item_7

When you breed for Futurity you are trying to get as many show points as possible. Spayed Mares and Geldings have a "hidden bonus" to their training and thus they show better and earn more points in the long run.

If you could please post that Star* stud you got from your breeding today I might be able to help you figure that one out.

Annismyrph - I have been starting with foundation stock! Most of my mares and studs are foundation, but I decided to buy a few Gold and Star to try and build better rated foals from my foundation stock. Also, I do have quite a few show horses that I've bred so I don't totally kick out all of my geld/spays!

What is bootstrapping exactly? Also here is stud https://www.horsegeneticsgame.com/horse.php?horseid=19755501

DarkPhoenix - HE has 41 foals from other people breeding to him, 4 are bred by me. Though it was brought to my attention his other babies are futurity babies so I can't say for a fact they were geld/spay because of BA.
Also uneven papers? I have crossed him with Gold mares (which I have said above!) 3 times and then 1 time to red mare who made his best crop thus far. I am also confused because yes, I KNOW I have to bred him more but even my A-C studs have given me better babies in a shorter amount of time than him. I now know I should bred even papers, but when I didn't know that before and would cross uneven I still got better babies. Which honestly, I still do a little bit just to kind of experiment and see what happens. I've bred my other Star studs to lower level mares and they have all made great babies that BA doesn't spay/geld - this is the only Star guy it happens with which is why I am so confused. I have done the same crosses with my other Star studs and get great babies but I've been having a hard time finding what is supposed to cross with this guy. My other 2 Star studs also were never bred before I acquired them, so all of my Star are new breeders when I have them and he is the only one I've had "bad luck" with. I really am genuinely trying to understand this, you all keep telling me he IS great which you all know this game better, I really am trying to believe ya'll but then can someone explain why my other studs have produced better breeding prospects than him? I've crossed my C stud with a Gold mare and I produced an A colt, I crossed my B stud with a Gold mare and got a Star colt, crossed a C stud with Gold mare and got a Star colt. This is why I'm confused, those lower guys are making good babies but I haven't had that luck with this guy.

What would one of you recommend to try if he was YOURS? Breed to a bunch of higher level mares? Blue/Gold? I have more access to red ones but can pull embryo on my blue/golds..

Also I guess while I'm at it with questions, while I do have my own show herd and save some babies for showing - why in this game is having a show herd so important?

Thank you all, maybe one day I'll figure this out lol! I apologize in advance if I am having a hard time understanding anyones questions

Wow interesting - I didn't even notice some of them have one * and some have two **
Thank you,

But I also just checked and the 3 gold mares I bred him to did have ** so those would be even papers correct?

I guess I'm just "worrying" about making intact foals cause I'm trying to make more higher ranking of my own to potentially breed!

I will try to produce show foals out of him then, also means I'll have to start figuring out this futurity thing lol

If you’re looking for top-of-the-line mares, I’ve got several up for auction right now. They’re all what is referred to as “cap-level” because they have the maximum breeding ability allowed by the game without applying a breeding boost token. That might help give you the jump-start you’re looking for.

Just as a warning, the higher quality horses you breed, the fewer that will pass breeding advice. For instance, I bred 60 cap-level mares with two of my 5% boosted stallions. The mares all had 30+ day pasture bonuses. Out of those 60 foals, there’s only 4 that I’m actually going to keep for breeding.

https://bluegrass.horsegeneticsgame.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&eran=15&owner=248567&barn=43386&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0