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  • I'm still trying to figure out my breeding program, but so far I've settled on at dappled greys. I know Sooty helps darken coats, and can bring out dappling, but when I do searches for other combinations (or just plain greys) there's a significant number of them that are visually white. I'm trying to rule out various white markings, but even then, a good portion of them just look plain white. Is there a hidden modifier or anything that is known to lead to darker greys?
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  • The thing about grays is that they all continue to lose pigment as they age, some faster than others. In real life, the flea-bitten grays will continue to show small flecks of their base color over their bodies throughout their lives, but I don't think that effect appears in the game. In the game, as in real life, all horses with heterozygous or homozygous gray will end up white. Dapple gray is a stage in the graying out process and tends to be rather short-lived.

    Here is a sequence of gray horses at increasing ages to demonstrate. I'm listing them with their base color to demonstrate the effect of gray on both red and black coats.

    3 years old bay
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    Dance Royale


    4 year old black
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    92618 Ex Pro Olw 5


    5 year old black
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    8418 Ex Pro Olw 7


    6 year old chestnut
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    Joyous Music


    8 year old bay
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    51818 Ex Pro Rb 8


    9 year old bay
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    42118 ex pro tobi 4


    10 year old chestnut
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    22518 Ex Pro 1


    12 year old black
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    Quantum Shadows


    There is always some variation as in real life, but as you can see, black (E) seems to resist graying a bit more than red (e), but they will all end up white.

    14 year old bay
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    FRxf Framed elf


    16 year old black
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    Drowning in Magma


    My daughter has just said that she thinks homozygous grays will go white faster than heterozygous grays, so breeding homozygous gray stallions to mares without gray may produce horses that cling to their color a bit longer.
    Post edited by SandyCreekAcres at 2018-10-06 07:56:07

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  • As for genes that can cause dappling in the game when no gray is present, here's a list that comes to my mind.

    Silver, Classic Champagne, and Sooty + are the most active in producing dapples, although I think that dapples can show up occasionally in other colors.

    Sooty and Sooty+ will darken the coats of all horses. Most other modifiers are dilution genes--Cream and it's cousin Pearl, Dun, Champagne, Silver (works on horses with dominant Extension-black and bay), mushroom and chinchilla (affect red pigment). Flaxen lightens manes and tails of chestnuts when homozygous recessive.

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  • Well, dangit. I suppose I'll have to get my dappling fix in a non-grey manner. I suppose that's why it's goals, at least!
    ID #238663, she/her pronouns
  • Classic Champagnes have unique, dark dapples.

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    Chosen Charms


    Silver doesn't always produce dapples, but when it does, the effect is pretty.

    a silver bay dun with dapples
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    Vigilant Cricket


    a silver black with dapples
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    Sultans Serenade


    Sooty+ is a fairly rare and expensive gene, but here's an example of what S+ dapples can look like. I don't have a lot of Sooty+ in my herd.
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    Sicklejack Pearls



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  • This game will teach you more about horse color genetics than you ever thought existed. :D

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  • Liver chestnuts also can have dappling

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