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- AmethystStables February 2019
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Linebreeding or uneven?
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What are the advantages/disadvantages of linebreeding vs uneven?
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In my opinion:
Even breeding,
Advantages
Looks good, sells for better prices.
Disadvantages
More work.
Bootstrap or Uneven Breeding,
Advantages
Higher quality mares faster. Best use of pasture.
Disadvantages
Less valuable to sell. -
Do prices change if you bootstrap and then line breed?
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Basically, even breeding, if done by generation AND paper level, will produce a better ratio of intact foals. Whereas bootstrapping produces a lot of show ponies, which is typically its purpose anyway. With bootstraping, if a horse has a high PT score (usually 12+) they can sell for more. Especially if they are intact. This is because the higher PT's typically make better show horses and can train longer, potentially earning more points. Points=money. I personally sell my 12-12.9 PT colts for 15k typically, and they sell well. Even breeding is an aesthetic thing almost. It looks pleasing but it is also used to progress certain lines, and as i said in
the first sentence, for more intact foals. I have 2 bootstrap pastures that i use to breed show ponies, but other than that, i breed even by paper and generation. When i started out 3.5ish years ago, i bred anything and everything and had no idea what generations were or what i was doing. (I'm amazed i made it this far lol).
But the biggest takeaway from this is, breed however YOU want to! It's your account, your horses! When i started, i bred for pretty colors! Now i still breed for pretty colors but also quality and generation. There is absolutely no wrong way to play this game at all. Hope this helps a bit :)Bluegrass Server: HayesStable - 221755
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I don't have much input to give, but I agree with the fact that even lines looks neater, sells better, and when you do get a foal that is superior to sire, or papers higher then its dam, it just feels better because you've put more work into keeping the lines even. To me, uneven pedigree's just look tacky, and I know quite a few people who will not buy a horse because they prefer evenly bred horses. When I started, I mainly bred for color and patterns.. but now I breed for both of those and quality.Previously known as "lethalximpulse".
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It’s easier to figure out what sort of quality your horse is if it has an even pedigree. A horse whose pedigree has ancestors who’s paper levels increase through the generations will most likely be higher quality than one who’s ancestors papers are stagnant or don’t progress as quickly even if they have the same paper level themselves.Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes
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Thank you for the assistance. I think I understand that better now.
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What about a higher papered mare from an outside line? Would that count as uneven breeding if it's not from your own stock? Or do they consider the paper level itself to be the breeding level no matter the stock?
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It doesn’t matter if you bred the mare or not.
Evenly bred usually refers to the generations first before the paper level. If you look at the pedigree page of a horse the last column on the right will be completely filled up without any zig zags or offshoots.Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes -
If you open the family tab and view pedigree link to compare
This mare is 8th generation evenly bred (inbred because I don’t have a lot of choices in the higher generations and don’t I bother tracking parentage just generations) but still each vertical column is even all the way to the end on the right.
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If you look at the extended pedigree of this horse you can see right away that he is not evenly bred. The ends of his lineage (always to the right) looks like a heart rate monitor. His longest generation count could be 19 generations but if you only count to the last full generation he would be a 3rd generation.
Z 6546542Breeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes -
Ok I've got it then. Thank you. I'll have to remember not to breed all willy-nilly :DThanked by 1AmethystStables
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There’s no right or wrong way to breed as long as you aren’t cheating lol
I personally breed for colour (Grullo) with even generations and an advancing paper levels through the generations with no more than 3 generations per paper in an effort to continue advancing the quality of my stock.
Others prefer to bootstrap and breed the highest stud they can to a bunch of foundation mares then continue to breed the resulting fillies back to their father. This advances the papers faster than if you were breeding evenly by generationsBreeding even generation Grullos with KP, Axiom RBG & Wrong Warp, Chinnchilla, Onyx, Phantom Autumn, Bats, Ghosts, Pumpkins, Skulls & Spiders, Plaid, Watercolour genes -
You've had a lot of good advice and explanations here. I just wanted to chime in to say breeding horses to sell is a harder way to make money in this game than building up a strong and varied herd of neuters for showing, partly because what players are looking for in terms of colors or patterns is quite variable. This month's most sought-after gene may find less interest in another month or two. It's also harder because everyone is breeding their intact horses and usually has more foals than they can adequately assess once the stable reaches a certain size.
Speaking personally, I occasionally buy horses, most often to help out a player who is just starting out or who is working toward a specific goal. On the other hand, I rarely sell horses except when I'm virtually giving away high point show horses, once again to help someone out.Thanked by 1HayesStable -
Just throwing another opinion in, but you’ve already gotten good advice.
I *only* breed even pedigrees so I won’t purchase anything uneven, unless it’s altered for showing. Similarly, I don’t sell to/share my stallions with players who intend to breed unevenly either. Some of it is aesthetics, but also to track quality and progress.
Selling horses is not the way to make money in this game, at least not long-term and ultimately we can all breed how we want. I do know many other players like me who will only breed/buy even pedigreed horses, so breeding evenly may provide a bigger market too for those of us seeking quality and color.
Lately there has been an influx of people breeding unevenly and although it’s not wrong or breaking any rules, it makes me hesitant to share my horses because I hold them to very high standards and expect others to as well. Ultimately you can breed for color, quality, or both.. and to varying degrees of strictness (for me, every horse must pass SBA on top of having an even pedigree). -
I've made my current line all pass SBA and they are line-bred. Hopefully that will open up both options. The appy line is starting over. ;) Mostly because although I'm having fun, finding out my horses are good enough for someone else to pick one up is part of the fun. As far as my line-bred it hasn't went so far yet and will be exclusive because of the speciality genes, but I'm totally satisfied with what it's dropping so far.
Fillies
SW Glorified Beginnings C
SW Persuadin Alteration C
SW Mayhem of Spots C
SW Among the Angels C
Colts
SW Silver Bliss C
SW Sliver of a Blessing C
SW Blessed Silver C
SW Tempting Spots C
SW Makin a Tempting CPost edited by bluchrystals at 2019-02-04 02:05:22 -
While I'm bragging up my line, I don't want to forget to thank you guys for all the help. Without all the information, this gorgeous line wouldn't have even started.
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That is a gorgeous crop of foals you have. Congratulations.
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Your Chinchilla line is beautiful! Congrats on them :)