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paradoxphoenix · Mar 10, 2019 5:07 AM

:)) :))

None of us need more horses. But it doesn’t seem to stop us! :))

(By the way, I have show horse prospects in the auction too lol)

PersianPenName · Mar 10, 2019 6:08 AM

I just finished GMing up a pair of studs to be the start of a new line, and I'm *so thrilled* with how they turned out! I gots dapples for days!

PPN F Solid Foundations

I've got a ton of foals off them that look like this

PPN G1 7943790 Sup Mare

and exactly one that looks like this

PPN G1 7944376 x chocolate pal

paradoxphoenix · Mar 10, 2019 8:47 AM

Pretty dapples!

Jessj · Mar 10, 2019 2:08 PM

Newest dapple boy

Brasil Tigers44947

SherwoodStables · Mar 10, 2019 3:31 PM

What do you get when you cross a King's Ransom to a Freaky Friday? Well, lots of possibilities, including

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I'll be papering him tonight, everyone cross your fingers and toes for me!

paradoxphoenix · Mar 10, 2019 3:34 PM

My OP baby is a King’s Random offspring, too!
I wonder if they have something that gives their babies amazing dapples when crossed on DP?

SherwoodStables · Mar 10, 2019 4:07 PM

I suspect he's actually a dark silver brown, so maybe silver + Dp? I'm not color testing him until he's papered though- the temptation would be too strong.

Jessj · Mar 10, 2019 4:10 PM

Dang it @SherwoodStables, I had to try it too with mine lol

Fridays Gold44947

SherwoodStables · Mar 10, 2019 4:14 PM

@Jessj *snickers* I'm not sorry ;)

Jessj · Mar 10, 2019 4:16 PM

@SherwoodStables lol I don't think any of us are >:)

paradoxphoenix · Mar 10, 2019 4:26 PM

I’m starting to think that maybe pulling my Kings Ransom mare out of pasture was a mistake....

bluchrystals · Mar 10, 2019 4:32 PM

:)) I've pulled most of mine. Bred through them all now I'm culling HARD.

Wolvevenfrost · Mar 10, 2019 4:34 PM

Awww if only I would have know that...cause I just got this beautiful Freaky Friday stallion that would have got along greatly with my King Ransoms mare.

The Best Chocolate Dream

The King Of Gods

RutledgeRanch · Mar 10, 2019 4:51 PM

Just found these guys :x

DarkPalDP2G

DarkLadyDP2G

DarkestRoseDP2G

bluchrystals · Mar 10, 2019 5:05 PM

Wolvevenfrost, he's gorgeous! I'll have to look through my draft mares and come begging :))

SherwoodStables · Mar 10, 2019 5:29 PM

:(( :(( He only papered C
I legit may need a minute to recover :(

paradoxphoenix · Mar 10, 2019 5:48 PM

Nooooo!!!

LEAcres · Mar 10, 2019 11:20 PM

Dapples for days!

NRH Umber

Jessj · Mar 12, 2019 9:42 PM

Forgot this guy had dapples too after I rerolled him >:)
He's up for stud if anyone is interested, can also pull straws

Chocolate friday44947

Pagan · Mar 13, 2019 9:07 AM

This is my pretty dapple stud:

APP Icarus

His oh so pretty son, shame he got snipped:

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PaintedPonies · Mar 13, 2019 7:02 PM

So sad about this beauty. :(

3g Barbosa FO Satin

OkieWindsStables · Mar 13, 2019 8:33 PM

these are my favorite dapples in my whole barn :x

OWS SilverHurricane 2g

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OWS Ruby Bells

Jessj · Mar 13, 2019 9:26 PM

Rockin Enchanter

SheebaArab · Mar 13, 2019 9:55 PM

This may be a stupid question but how do you breed for those beautiful dapples?

Wolvevenfrost · Mar 13, 2019 11:38 PM

Oh @OkieWindsStables that first one is Soooo beautiful!♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ I need to get Chinchilla this year that's for certain!

LEAcres · Mar 13, 2019 11:50 PM

@SheebaArab - I was told its the sooty that causes dapples

Wolvevensleet · Mar 13, 2019 11:54 PM

So I thought too until I came across these two...so now I'm all cufuffled...and I mean their dapples shine all the way through up to their necks!

Daaaaaaaannnnnggg

Wolf Wolf

LEAcres · Mar 14, 2019 12:11 AM

I've started wondering if it's actually DP...
I just got a het sooty and het DP chestnut mare that had dapples... added another sooty to her and she turned liver..

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Wolvevensleet · Mar 14, 2019 1:20 AM

Look what I just got from my pasture on the other server! EEEAAAAKKK! And she passed!♥️♥️

This Is My Soul

MasterStablesMS · Mar 14, 2019 2:58 AM

@Bambi207
Basically there are 3 things that influence the amount of dapples: DP, Sty+ and Silver. Imagine having all on that on one horse
DP makes the coat darker, so the dapples are more pronounced. STY+ causes Dappling in itself, but if the horse already has some dappling that gets more pronounced too. Silver horses also have dappling more often than non silver horses, plus the silver makes the coat slightly dilluted so the dapples show better (just like the dapples show better on buckskins).

This horse is hetero DP with some dapples:

MS2 Sugarolas hetKPDP

This one is homo DP and also has S+, you see there are more pronounced dapples:

MS3 SilverlightTurksSFpGP

This is a buckskin with DP and S+:

MS3 DAPPLYDEE SHOWW

This is a silver buckskin dun (het DP, no s+), you see a little bit of dappling.

MS2 SuggyishYou KPhDP

This is a silver bay dun (het DP, no S+, but 1 sty more than the horse above), you see the dappling better:

MS2 NICE 7666908

Some more silver examples:
These are two regular silver black horses, 1st one has no sty at all, 2nd one has 2 copies of normal sty.

MSRrs In Time

MS Public Chanel L

This horse has S+, adding more dapples:

MS Whirling Steak KP

It's a bit harder to see but this horse is a silver smokey black with 1 copy of S+, but also having 1 copy of cream that dillutes the coat. To me, that makes the dapples stand out even more.

MS7 MilleniumWhirlig

Finally, this is a hetero DP S+ Silver Black horse, making the coat darker and thus making the dapples stand out even more:

MS2 SummerReturnedGPDP

So to conclude, a normal horse can have some dapples, but that's rare. Silver horses have dapples more often, as well as DP horses. S+ horses always have dapples.
Ofcourse there are also the champagne horses, they are similar to silver horses with how often they have dapples, but to me that looks more like leopard spots instead of dapples:

MSH Panthera PAS
(This was an old horse I had)

I hoped this helped a bit! :)

Edit: Oh and I just wanted to end with these two beauties, first one S+, Het DP, silver buckskin with cream:

MS4 It Escaped DP

Homo DP S+ liver:

MS3 Morniyad LOOVEE SHOW

LEAcres · Mar 14, 2019 3:09 AM

Yay! So I wasnt completely wrong lol \:D/

Thank you @MasterStablesMS!

Morniyad is absolutely gorgeous 8->

Jessj · Mar 14, 2019 6:21 AM

I was doing some research on it too, and in real life what the horse eats can also cause dapples

Heartwood · Mar 14, 2019 7:06 AM

@Jessj Wow, what the horse eats? That's really interesting, I'll have to look that up now!

I had actually made a thread in Help about non-silver, non S+ dapples recently. My best guess about horses lacking the above qualities (and without DP) is that either there's a hidden gene or there's a random element, either way pretty exciting to get a mystery dapple :D

Here are a few for example! Pretty subtle, but still lovely!

Caramel Creme Brulee

Sipping Sweet Tea

SH Bluejays on the Fence

Jessj · Mar 14, 2019 7:19 AM

@peachtree here's one article about it https://animals.mom.me/causes-dappling-horses-coats-3471.html

paradoxphoenix · Mar 14, 2019 10:54 AM

My OP has silver, but is red based so technically it shouldn’t affect the cost. But I wonder if being homozygous sooty and at least het DP means that silver can affect the dapples anyway?

OkieWindsStables · Mar 14, 2019 1:16 PM

@Wolvevenfrost Thanks i love him, this is my 2nd season breeding chin and i am hooked on them!

Heartwood · Mar 14, 2019 1:39 PM

@Jessj Thanks for the link! I feel like I've learned a lot :D I guess it never occurred to me that good nutrition could impact the visibility of dapples, but it totally makes sense.

@paradoxphoenix You made me curious so I looked for some other het Z chocolates and I found one that wasn't dappled, meanwhile a lot of chocolates that don't have any silver did have really strong dapples :-?

Wolvevensleet · Mar 14, 2019 2:15 PM

It all just depends I think, I found plenty het Z chocolates without dapples and with them as well. Like this one for example..Hom Sooty, Het Silver but with strong dapples.

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I'll post the link in a sec.

Wolvevensleet · Mar 14, 2019 2:19 PM

Most are just Chestnuts or Livers in this link as it's how I find chocolate Palomino's, but adding silver in kinda made them sparse.

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Jessj · Mar 15, 2019 6:28 AM

Bell of Conspiracy

Heartwood · Mar 15, 2019 8:01 AM

I've been curious for a while how nd1 affects dapples so I took the opportunity today to add a copy to this girl and WOW! It really made her dapples pop!

Here is what she looked like before:

And after:

Lady Elizabeth