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- BreedingStable March 2019
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Chestnut vs. Sorrel
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There's great debate whether there's a difference between Sorrels and Chestnuts. Personally, there's a very visible difference between the two. Sorrels are more orange/red in pigment, and typically have flaxen or lighter manes and tails. Whereas, chestnuts are almost brassy, or simply a bay horse without black points. What do you think? And is there any genetic difference between the two?
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Genetically, they are both red horses with slight difference in sty/DP. So really, there is a difference but then again there isn't
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In real life I have always considered those words synonymous. In my experience English riders use chestnut and Western riders use sorrel. I own what I consider a chestnut that others have called sorrel, haha. So, IMO, there's no difference - but I've never thought deeply about it genetically. haha
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The way i understand it is there is no difference. Sorrel vs chestnut depends on breed standards and what each specific breed calls the color. Some breeds call the color sorrel while some say chestnut. But either way its just an ee horse (with no roan). At least that's how I've heard it. I just say chestnut for all red horses (that aren't roan of course).Bluegrass Server: HayesStable - 221755
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Here is what google said lolCHESTNUT VS. SORREL. Sorrel and chestnut both generally refer to the same color, a reddish coat with non-black points (mane, tail, legs, ears). Chestnut is the English term, while sorrel originated in the west as the cowboy term.Post edited by HayesStable at 2019-03-29 21:40:16Bluegrass Server: HayesStable - 221755
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I just call them all Red lolThanked by 1Craig
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What Hayes said. There are always people that insist they are different, and can tell you what they consider the differences to be, lighter/darker manes and tails, more red/less red body colour etc. But those opinions depend on what area you live, or what discipline you ride and so many other things, there is no specific shade for sorrel and another for chestnut. For instance where I am sorrel is nonexistent, they are all chestnut.
So the short answer is that sorrel and chestnut are two names for the same ee red colourThanked by 1Craig -
In my experience at our jumping barn we call them chestnuts. But then most western people call them sorrel. I never really knew there to be a genetic difference. Like i have a chestnut thoroughbred colt, but my western friend has a sorrel Qh :)Thanked by 1Craig
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Yep, definitely the same genetically!Thanked by 1Craig
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I thought this discussion ended decades ago. Like people are saying, there is absolutely no difference in genetics. If you go by phenotype, there are some people calling the orangy ones sorrel and the red/brown tone ones chestnut, but there is also people saying the exact opposite. It all comes down to geography.
I use Red. Or if I'm on genetics groups on facebook that attract alot of people who are not versed in genetics I call them Red/Chestnut/Sorrel/Whateveryouwannacallit ;))ID 195859Thanked by 1Craig -
I’m from a “Cowboy/Western” area and I uese both terms. They way it was explained to me and what is consider to be sorrel where I’m at. Is a chestnut horse with white hairs sprinkled throughout the face, body, mane, tail, or flank. Pretty much wherever there isn’t supposed to be white hair. It’s kind of like when an old horse gets white on it’s body. Only the term is given to horses that shouldn’t be getting white hairs from age.
Geneticly they could have roan, but not enough white to be considered roan. I just learned about the Rabicano gene on this game, I’d bet most people where I live don’t know it’s even a thing that exists; so it could be rabicano as well. I’m just not sure if either of those genes would account for the white hairs on the face.
I agree with everyone who said it’s just another word used for chestnut and will change depending on where you’re at. I just thought It was interesting that where I’m at sorrel is used a category for the chestnut color, not actually an interchangeable word for chestnut.Thanked by 1Craig