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bravo25 · Jul 2, 2020 1:33 PM

I have some leftover GMTs from my black rabicano herd that I wanted to invest into brown horses. Thanks to this beautiful community, I have a tiny herd of two studs and about ten mares ready to GMT.
However, before I go completely ham, I want to understand the color goal Id like to achieve before accidentally wasting tokens (been there, it was not a fun recovery =)) )

Im starting with Candy Appys, and they are all at least Ee tt Ssty Ssty. Some are FF/Ff or PP/Pp

Ideally, I would like the herd to end up with this deep Hershey brown color, like her

She is EE at SstySsty pp (no f) and het DP

My brain puts the pieces together that to achieve that dark color, my horses would have to be Ee/EE, at, SstySsty (or S+) [no pp or ff] and at least het for DP.....is that correct?

Thank you guys! Happy 4th!

annismyrph · Jul 2, 2020 1:56 PM

I think this is pretty close to what you are looking for :

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@bravo25

Maribo · Jul 2, 2020 2:21 PM

FF/Ff/ff does not matter at all. Thats flaxen, and it only affects red based horses.

bravo25 · Jul 3, 2020 8:42 AM

@Maribo thank you for clarifying! But the amount of pangera affects the shading on muzzle & belly correct?

LakeOndowaFarm · Jul 3, 2020 10:29 AM

The most critical genes to achieve the really dark brown are the at, and hom sty, with DP making them extra dark. Pangare does slightly increase the size of the lighter area on the belly, yes, but not all that much.

This horse for instance has pangare, and no DP:

Ats Rising of the Moon
This one has no pangare or DP:

FishingDodge R 3
This one has DP and pangare :

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DP with no pangare:

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bravo25 · Jul 3, 2020 11:44 AM

@LakeOndowaFarm
This is very helpful, thank you! The DP with no pangera boy is my ideal color. I appreciate your guidance :)

bravo25 · Jul 5, 2020 8:58 AM

Can brown horses be homozygous for black? Can you make them homozygous for DP without them turning to a liver? :-?

annismyrph · Jul 5, 2020 9:06 AM

Gs Engaging
yup

WitchwaterAcres · Jul 5, 2020 11:21 AM

Liver comes from red based horses with DP and Ssty, you'll never get a liver from an Ee or EE horse. Liver is just dark chestnut, which is just red.

Homozygous black and heterozygous black act the same, all it does is affect their offspring. EE horses will always throw black foals, Ee horses may or may not, cause they may throw e and then it depends on the horse they're paired with. If you're looking to breed brown, two Ee horses is not a sure bet to get black-based. If you have a heterozygous black horse you want to breed, I'd breed them to a homozygous black just to be sure.

bravo25 · Jul 5, 2020 3:58 PM

I was thinking of making my base herd EE tt Ssty Ssty and DpDp...would that garuntee a start to a browm only producing line?

WitchwaterAcres · Jul 5, 2020 4:18 PM

I feel like as long as you don't mix things like cream and Champagne, those genes check out for a nice dark brown. Here's one of mine with pangare as well, but he's hom sooty and DP. I'm selling straws from him too.

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SilverCreekFarm · Jul 6, 2020 3:48 PM

just bred a brown baby that's hom DP, het sty het s+ :) just to show some variations on this awesome brown thread!

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Beezy · Jul 8, 2020 6:58 AM

Just a note, two copies of the brown gene will give you the what the candy Appaloosa looks like now, whereas just one copy will give you that dark blackish brown:)

eajames1991 · Jul 16, 2020 6:30 AM

I've got similar breeding goals and just bred this filly:

Mom's a Candy Appy and dad's hom dp black. She's hom sty, het dp, and also has one copy of pangare

Dynamyte

OopsDotCom · Jul 20, 2020 3:38 PM

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