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Why is my liver horse black?
  • Can someone help me understand why this horse says she is liver but is showing as black? Is there a gene that I can change to make the liver show? Thank you in advance!

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  • This is called a "black liver" and it is caused by the horse having two copies of the Sooty genes and the Dp gene. Lots of people love these horses.
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  • Thank you for the reply! I see, so if I were to remove one DP or one STY it would show red liver?

    Or if I left it black would chinchilla show up?
    Post edited by Mensie at 2021-08-18 11:06:02
    Bluegrass 272432 | Forest 54250 | Mesa 9056
  • This horse does not have chinchilla. If you added chinchilla they would turn totaly white with red eyes. Is that the look you are going for?

    If you remove a darkening gene this horse would be lighter but I advise against it if you want lots of liver foals.
    Post edited by Ammit at 2021-08-18 11:13:14
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  • Yea I haven't added the chinchilla, was just wondering what she would look like. I expected red liver coloring when I removed the frame and was surprised she was black. I haven't quite decided on what look I am going for yet. I really appreciate the information.
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  • Black livers are awesome for breeding. You're always guaranteed to pass the Sooty and the DP. If you breed them to a hom sooty plain Chestnut you get a het DP hom Sooty liver. If you breed them to a het DP hom Sooty liver, you have a 50% chance of another black liver. I use a lot of yellow papered mares in my breeding just because they have hom DP.
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  • Thank you! That is very helpful. She would probably make a better stallion then for my purposes.
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  • That horse is Really nice. I have so many chesnut drafts for sale.
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  • If you want her to look a little less black without removing the ability to always throw liver foals, you could always change her Pangare and Flaxen to be homozygous for both to show...

    She would look something like this

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  • Thanks @Khaos! That will help me tremendously.
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  • Flaxen looks great!
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  • It does especially on the livers. I hadn't seen it before.
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  • Love the edit. That looks great!
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  • Thank you!
    Bluegrass 272432 | Forest 54250 | Mesa 9056
  • The flaxen looks amazing! It’s a beautiful contrast :)
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  • I'm an fool for black livers! LOVE them, and that one is just plain gorgeous!
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  • Here is one with just p/p no flaxen ; as you can see she is like unsweetened Bakers Chocolate
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  • Also, just to add my 2 cents and because I saw it in the notes of your boy, adding s+ will definitely help make him look more red liver than black :) Not sure if you have already seen an example but here is a couple i found:

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    Also Pangare + is on sale in the RGS right now and would make him look stunning as well!

    S+ and P+
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    Hope this helps!
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  • It does thank you! I'm not set on adding S+ to him just because I like his look and I've got others with it. Yours are beautiful!
    Bluegrass 272432 | Forest 54250 | Mesa 9056

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